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Pct

Tell me why u think that is

U don’t see any benefit to blasting a bit of Hcg and doing a bit of clomid to fire your balls up for a few months?

You think it’s all the same as going cold turkey and probably staying completely shut down non stop? Potentially for years, producing fuck all. Ever

I can certainly see the benefit

Hcg doesn’t fire anything up. It just mimics lh and fsh

Once the hcg is gone your balls will be right where they were before the hcg

Nolva and clomid activate stuff into firing back up again

Pct is a fairly new thing. It wasn’t used back in the day

Tell me, why don’t we use pct for things like t3 and hcg usage where we shut our natural production down?
 
I can see what you're saying
But my point is not to use pct drugs, im saying its pointless unless you're coming off long term imo
They are also toxic, so why put more stress on the body if it's not necessary
Sure, tren, halo and sdrol are toxic but that's the choice people make. Some people tolerate their effects better than others
Personally if anything makes me feel like shit I tend to avoid it

I’m sure in the grand scheme of things going cold turkey for 2/3 months isn’t really gonna fuck anything up. If you cant keep training balls to walk off gear then we’ll we all know your priorities aren’t right

Even if using prop you would have to be 3 weeks post last jab to be at 0 test levels anyway
 
Hcg doesn’t fire anything up. It just mimics lh and fsh

Once the hcg is gone your balls will be right where they were before the hcg

Nolva and clomid activate stuff into firing back up again

Pct is a fairly new thing. It wasn’t used back in the day

Tell me, why don’t we use pct for things like t3 and hcg usage where we shut our natural production down?
I know what HCG does

It gives your balls an artificial hit of LH and too a lesser degree FSH in the absence off the real signal whilst being shut down. And hopefully the serms can get your natural signal going eventually but Hcg is used to give them an artificial “jump start” if you haven’t been running it throughout your cycle (which I always do), hence the often large doses to give them a kick up the arse at the start of a power pct or something

Dunno what the point of your post was quoting me at all tbh pal

U don’t think I know what or how Hcg works after all this time? Fuck me come on Ash
 
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I know what HCG does

It gives your balls an artificial hit of LH FSH in the absence off the real signal whilst being shut down. And hopefully the serms can get your natural signal going

Dunno what the point of your post was quoting me at all tbh pal

Uvdon’t think I know what or how Hcg works after all this time? Fuck me come on Ash

Haha I’m not calling you out dude but I thought you would bite


For me in my opinion take all the nolva and clomid you like. It ain’t making no difference to natty levels coming back up in quick time. That will take months if not years


If the OP is coming off for 3 months or whatever it is just have a rest from jabbing or cruise like the rest of us gear heads
 
Haha I’m not calling you out dude but I thought you would bite


For me in my opinion take all the nolva and clomid you like. It ain’t making no difference to natty levels coming back up in quick time. That will take months if not years


If the OP is coming off for 3 months or whatever it is just have a rest from jabbing or cruise like the rest of us gear heads
Why isn’t it?

If your take clomid it’s supposed to make your brain produce more LH (unless your shut down at the pit), I’ve personally had bloods done a couple of weeks in to pct and LH was very very high after only a couple of weeks on a scale of 1-7 or something and Test levels were over 30nmol

Who knows how long it would have taken for the LH level to get to a decent enough level to signal your balls start producing testosterone without clomid

Without clomid LH could be almost non existant after 6 months off, and therefore so is test. It does happen to people

I rate clomid very very highly and have personal bloods to back up my reasons why

Each to their own though isn’t it, but serms being not worth is wank is just your opinion too. There’s a reason they’ve been used as pct meds for your years mate
 
Why isn’t it?

If your take clomid it’s supposed to make your brain produce more LH (unless your shut down at the pit), I’ve personally had bloods done a couple of weeks in to pct and LH was very very high after only a couple of weeks on a scale of 1-7 or something and Test levels were over 30nmol

Who knows how long it would have taken for the LH level to get to a decent enough level to signal your balls start producing testosterone without clomid

Without clomid LH could be almost non existant after 6 months off, and therefore so is test. It does happen to people

I rate clomid very very highly and have personal bloods to back up my reasons why

Each to their own though isn’t it, but serms being not worth is wank is just your opinion too. There’s a reason they’ve been used as pct meds for your years mate

To be honest I bet most people could get away with just clomid. As long as e2 is kept in check no need for nolva but of course hcg needs to be accounted for too if you’re kick starting pct with it.

I wouldn’t take the turkey option personally. I’d either blast and trt (true trt) or cycle and pct with decent time off. Realistically though with cycle and pct you’re looking at 2 cycles a year of you really are conscious about recovery and health
 
To be honest I bet most people could get away with just clomid. As long as e2 is kept in check no need for nolva but of course hcg needs to be accounted for too if you’re kick starting pct with it.

I wouldn’t take the turkey option personally. I’d either blast and trt (true trt) or cycle and pct with decent time off. Realistically though with cycle and pct you’re looking at 2 cycles a year of you really are conscious about recovery and health
I’ve only ever used clomid and Hcg as I’ve got to know what I’m doing

Dropped the nolva as felt it added nothing

I’ll I’m saying ITT overall is I see the benefit in getting your balls working every now and again rather than leaving them totally dormant for years at a time

Strange analogy but I look at it like having a car sat on the drive for years. Leave it for 5 years the cunt ain’t gonna start. Take it out for a run every now and again or even just turn it over it’ll last longer overall and blow the cobwebs off

Use it or lose it. U lot do what u want though I’m not gonna argue about it
 
Why isn’t it?

If your take clomid it’s supposed to make your brain produce more LH (unless your shut down at the pit), I’ve personally had bloods done a couple of weeks in to pct and LH was very very high after only a couple of weeks on a scale of 1-7 or something and Test levels were over 30nmol

Who knows how long it would have taken for the LH level to get to a decent enough level to signal your balls start producing testosterone without clomid

Without clomid LH could be almost non existant after 6 months off, and therefore so is test. It does happen to people

I rate clomid very very highly and have personal bloods to back up my reasons why

Each to their own though isn’t it, but serms being not worth is wank is just your opinion too. There’s a reason they’ve been used as pct meds for your years mate

Yea I ain’t saying there wank man. I’m just saying I think there best used when you are committed to staying off for a long time.

However I do think there’s food for thought in what you said about getting your balls fired up and used to working again.

For me though I don’t need my balls again haha. I got kids. Almost 40. Probably only got 30years left anyway.
 
What do you mean as healthy?
Surely it's not healthier on the body than if you run a legit trt dose between cycles
Not talking a cruise of 500mg
Well when I say healthy I mean more to do with your fertility and recovery. You're right, a true trt dose isn't going to hurt much with things like cholesterol, rbc, prostate, calcification, the way a higher dose would, but I still reckon coming off completely is healthier.

Also people worry about serms too much, my granny is on 20mg of nolva every day indefinitely and no-one is worried about any side effects. If it's not doing any harm to a 7 stone woman in her 80s it's probably not going to do much to a 16-18 stone, 20-40 year old man.
 
I’ve only ever used clomid and Hcg as I’ve got to know what I’m doing

Dropped the nolva as felt it added nothing

I’ll I’m saying ITT overall is I see the benefit in getting your balls working every now and again rather than leaving them totally dormant for years at a time

Strange analogy but I look at it like having a car sat on the drive for years. Leave it for 5 years the cunt ain’t gonna start. Take it out for a run every now and again or even just turn it over it’ll last longer overall and blow the cobwebs off

Use it or lose it. U lot do what u want though I’m not gonna argue about it
Car analogy is bang on. Pct isn't necessarily about getting your test levels back naturally for any huge length of time, you're just getting it back momentarily before jumping back on so you don't list the ability to recover completely.
 
Er pct if you are in higher doses,nearly lost my mind dropping from 1g tren & 1g test to zero last sept.

Much rather cruise tbh[/QUOTE

Out of interest sake why the f... would you do 1g Tren, and 1g test the andrigenic sides from 500 test alone is pretty harsh! What’s your LDL/HDL heart function ECCG, liver enzymes and rage ?
 
Depends on your definition of a few months and how long your cycle was doesn’t it? And also if you are willing to pay for bloods, you may well be back to ‘normal’ ranges in 12 weeks, if so then yeah get back on cycle. But it’s unlikely and if you were bothered about your balls you’d be on hcg through your cycle anyway.

If I were cycling I would do a pct, couple of weeks of hcg then cloned/nolva. I’d take bloods a good while after Pct finished and then go back on cycle of all was good.

What I’m saying is if you do a 12 week off and blindly go back on there’s a good chance you aren’t producing naturally again and it was all a waste of time and meds. You’d have been better off on a trt dose
good source for clonid or nova? my source has got everything and anything but pcts
 
Hcg doesn’t fire anything up. It just mimics lh and fsh

Once the hcg is gone your balls will be right where they were before the hcg

Nolva and clomid activate stuff into firing back up again

Pct is a fairly new thing. It wasn’t used back in the day

Tell me, why don’t we use pct for things like t3 and hcg usage where we shut our natural production down?
am 27 and i’ve been in out the gym since early teen consistent past 3 years pct been around since i started how else are you suppose to maximise your chance of keeping most of your gains ?
 
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