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Deca Only Cycle.

I'll try and explain this a little bit. The terms molecular weight or gram formula weight are used in regards to Avogadro's formula. I'll bypass this part of the chemistry lesson to make things easier
Let's say I was able to hold 100 molecules of testosterone and I could weigh it. It's weight is 288.4 grams. This is the molecular weight of testosterone or the gram formula weight. Now take a short chain like prop, the molecular weight is 344.5 grams. Let's convert the percentage of test that is actually in test prop. The molecular weight of test is is 288.4 x 100 divided the molecular weight of test prop, 344.5. The result is 83.7% test in test prop.
Cyp for example. The molecular weight of cyp is 412 grams so we have 288x100 divided by 412= 70%
So prop has 83.7% test an cyp has 70%

DVD Is going to argue that the half life of test 400 is in fact not 200 ( I'll use cyp an example because the maths are easier ) but 140 which is correct but start the fucking argument with the ester cleaved off in the first place, so it's not 400mg of cyp it is actually 280

Fin

School's out suckers
 
Who is this guy on Enhanced Athlete giving out such ridiculous advice and how much is "Dr Tony Huge " paying him ?
 
Who is this guy on Enhanced Athlete giving out such ridiculous advice and how much is "Dr Tony Huge " paying him ?

Taien Clarke.

The basic idea is that it's the combination of test and deca that give the side effects we attribute to deca. Deca alone provides all the functions test does, and none of the side effects. Deca only converts to estrogen at 20% of the rate test does, so no gyno, also no hairloss because of the lack of conversion to dht. It hangs around so long in your system that you can come off for many weeks to restore some health without losing the gains.

I'm still reading up on this, but all reports from people who have done this properly (genuinely only deca) have been positive.
 
Taien Clarke.

The basic idea is that it's the combination of test and deca that give the side effects we attribute to deca. Deca alone provides all the functions test does, and none of the side effects. Deca only converts to estrogen at 20% of the rate test does, so no gyno, also no hairloss because of the lack of conversion to dht. It hangs around so long in your system that you can come off for many weeks to restore some health without losing the gains.

I'm still reading up on this, but all reports from people who have done this properly (genuinely only deca) have been positive.

hangs around for a lot longer than a "few weeks' ....hence why no one wada tested goes near.... your talking in the realms of over a year.... debatable as to just how much left for benefits vs detection but even conservatively its super long term and not just weeks IMO
 
Deca Doesn't convert to DHT though mate, that's the issue.

Take DHT out of the equation and you get ED, amongst other things.

Hence why some test is preferable. Albeit only a small amount should be required.


If you use deca alone, you will shut down natural test production, if you don't have any test in your system, there's nothing to convert to DHT. Without DHT, you will 100% suffer from ED.

That's not me making it up or giving an opinion. It's exactly what will happen.

It's not really deca alone either if people are using proviron or the like to cover the shortfall in DHT to prevent ED or any other issues is it.

Not that there's anything wrong with doing that but it blows a hole in the hull of the deca alone argument, it's deca + 'a' form of DHT then isn't it.

Seems to me a gimmick that doesn't really stand up to the scrutiny.


Again though, I'll mention it's pretty rare on the internet you'll see anyone pushing a method such as this and admitting they can't use their dick as a result.

Good post mate, if there's any person that doesn't get it from that they shouldn't be aloud into society
 
and if Deca alone was the king - seeing as the drug has been around for a long time, and well researched - it would be used .....

TRT clinics would use deca as its far easier with the long ester..........
Life Extension places the same
and Bodybuilders would surely by now have worked it out....
 
Deca Doesn't convert to DHT though mate, that's the issue.

Take DHT out of the equation and you get ED, amongst other things.

Hence why some test is preferable. Albeit only a small amount should be required.


If you use deca alone, you will shut down natural test production, if you don't have any test in your system, there's nothing to convert to DHT. Without DHT, you will 100% suffer from ED.

That's not me making it up or giving an opinion. It's exactly what will happen.

It's not really deca alone either if people are using proviron or the like to cover the shortfall in DHT to prevent ED or any other issues is it.

Not that there's anything wrong with doing that but it blows a hole in the hull of the deca alone argument, it's deca + 'a' form of DHT then isn't it.

Seems to me a gimmick that doesn't really stand up to the scrutiny.


Again though, I'll mention it's pretty rare on the internet you'll see anyone pushing a method such as this and admitting they can't use their dick as a result.

I do find it hard to believe that all these people reporting good results are either lying about their erectile dysfunction out of embarrassment, or accidentally using test as well.

You are certain that a true deca only cycle has to lead to ED, but it appears plenty of people are getting on fine.

There are studies that look at deca compared to test for the treatment of HIV and deca comes out superior. I read your previous comments on this and how the matter of HIV is too serious to worry about ED, and they're probably suffering from it but not saying anything... Surely if deca was being looked at as a replacement for test, and came out superior in weight gain but also caused ED, then it wouldn't be worth it? Or even if it was deemed worth it, the study might mention it. But it doesn't. One measurement taken was 'perception of treatment' in which deca still scored above test. Surely ED would have got a mention in the perception of treatment score?
 
useful thread LOL

im doing great on deca alone (but actually got test in system still and using proviron)

...oh dear

Was always interested in doing 500 test 500 Deca , in your opinion is this a good cycle as Iv never really done Decs before?
 
Look at the studies and answer the question mate, it's never even been considered. Impotence is noted widely as a risk of using nandrolone and there's plenty of anecdotal evidence and that's with test or without.

The fact deca is superior in the treatment of aids has absolutely no bearing whatsoever on a healthy bodybuilder. I fail to see the significance there tbh?

The DHT thing is fact, you can argue it till the cows come home but without test there's no conversion to DHT therefore no DHT. DHT is a pre requisite to a functioning dick.

Deca alone = NO DHT. Test production is suppressed, conversion of test to DHT therefore halts

If you find it hard to believe then feel free to check it out at your own leisure. I'm not gonna sit and repeat myself over and over because if it's not gone in the first time it's not gonna go in ever is it.

Check out anything I've said yourself, it's all accurate, you can make your mind up from that can't you.

I don't know why people cant understand/see what you're saying. Deca converts to DHN as does tren, not DHT.

Look at people who take finasteride, dutasteride to lower DHT in body. Actually large doses of aldactone are used to prepare a man for a sex change, it's effectively chemical castration as it completely blocks all DHT being produced. Many people who have taken finasteride/duta write about ED, infertility etc. Because they have lower dht. Deca from my understanding will suppress dht.
 
And if you really find it hard to believe the internet isnt full of fucking billy bullshitters i suggest you start a thread about income.

7 days later wade through all the bullshit answers and 6 figure salaries claimed and then ask them to upload proof via their Payslips.

You'll not see many back up their claims.

Well you've got me on that one, I can't say I've asked anyone in the group to provide me with proof that they don't suffer from ED.
 
And if you really find it hard to believe the internet isnt full of fucking billy bullshitters i suggest you start a thread about income.

It is though. On both sides.
I'm gonna play Devil's Advocate here.

A helluva lot of the "Deca Dick" stuff comes from people who've never tried running it alone and who are only repeating what they've heard. For every one who's had the actual experience of a loss of libido, there's probably a hundred out there who haven't tried running Deca solo and are merely parroting what they've heard from a mate who heard it from his mate who heard it from his mate who heard it from his mate and so on.

I sincerely believe that there is a load of bullshit written about the effects of steroids on the libido and I also reckon that the true results are probably individual based.

I posted early in this thread and stated that I've used Deca on it's own without Test (last cycle was 1.2g for 16 weeks last year) and I had no problems at all getting hard. I've also just run Tren at 1.5g a week on it's own with the same results. In fact as I'm natural low Test, the only time I ever have problems is when I come off a cycle for few weeks.

So before everyone goes on calling the OP a dick for running Deca solo, people may want to think about that: What's one man's medicine may very well be another man's poison and vice versa.
 
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It is though. On both sides.
I'm gonna play Devil's Advocate here.

A helluva lot of the "Deca Dick" stuff comes from people who've never tried running it alone and who are only repeating what they've heard. For every one who's had the actual experience of a loss of libido, there's probably a hundred out there who haven't tried running Deca solo and are merely parroting what they've heard from a mate who heard it from his mate who heard it from his mate who heard it from his mate and so on.

I sincerely believe that there is a load of bullshit written about the effects of steroids on the libido and I also reckon that the true results are probably individual based.

I posted early in this thread and stated that I've used Deca on it's own without Test (last cycle was 1.2g for 16 weeks last year) and I had no problems at all getting hard. I've also just run Tren at 1.5g a week on it's own with the same results. In fact as I'm natural low Test, the only time I ever have problems is when I come off a cycle for few weeks.

So before everyone goes on calling the OP a dick for running Deca solo, people may want to think about that: What's one man's medicine may very well be another man's poison and vice versa.
1.5g of tren, what did you feel like on that? Sides/results?
 
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