New To Serious Muscle Training, Seeking Some Tips

Byll said:
I find an hour with music very enjoyable really. Cardio gives me some clear headspace so I’m generally enjoying it.
As for cardio deficits and such, I had a PT say before, if I had enough energy to do the workouts, and a good amount of protein, then in theory I could do a deficit whilst making gains, and lose weight during.
What do you think of this advice ?
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It's not good advice.
Stick to a small calorie defecit.
Train hard with weights in the gym.
Start doing a moderate amount of walking on the treadmill as suggested.

The exercise helps create a bigger defecit by increasing calorie expenditure rather than having a larger calorie defecit (possibly affecting recovery/energy/mood etc).
Start small incase it isn't enough so that you have room to increase if needed.
 
Greedy Ben said:
It's not good advice.
Stick to a small calorie defecit.
Train hard with weights in the gym.
Start doing a moderate amount of walking on the treadmill as suggested.

The exercise helps create a bigger defecit by increasing calorie expenditure rather than having a larger calorie defecit (possibly affecting recovery/energy/mood etc).
Start small incase it isn't enough so that you have room to increase if needed.
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I've been doing this most days so far, variety kinda befuddles me when it comes to shopping so I try and build a repetitive but balanced diet in this form:

Breakfast: 2 slices toast, 3 eggs
Dinnger: 300g Chicken, half plate of rice, vegetables
Tea: 300g Chicken, half plate of rice, vegetables,
 
Byll said:
I've been doing this most days so far, variety kinda befuddles me when it comes to shopping so I try and build a repetitive but balanced diet in this form:

Breakfast: 2 slices toast, 3 eggs
Dinnger: 300g Chicken, half plate of rice, vegetables
Tea: 300g Chicken, half plate of rice, vegetables,
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That’s extremely low, must be around 1600cals there, if that. What do you look like?
 
Walking you have to do longer than jogging for any real Benefit. You only burn about 70 calories per 15mins depending on your bodyweight.
Work up to jogging at a decent clip for 30 mins. Better than 1hour walking.
 
Byll said:
I’m “skinnyfat”. Belly is fat. Arms are slim. Legs are strong.
Idk how it works tbh I’m a weird shape
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Put a pic up would be best. If your truly skinny with Just a belly, losing more weight could make you look worse, the belly may not be as bad as you think with a proper training routine And diet, if your not used to it would be enough to create a novel stimulus to where you’d be able to build some muscle and lose fat simultaneously the same way a newbey would when they first start training for the first time.
 
Simon90 said:
Put a pic up would be best. If your truly skinny with Just a belly, losing more weight could make you look worse, the belly may not be as bad as you think with a proper training routine And diet, if your not used to it would be enough to create a novel stimulus to where you’d be able to build some muscle and lose fat simultaneously the same way a newbey would when they first start training for the first time.
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How easy is it to shred off belly fat while making gains? That’s the main thing. I don’t really eat any more than 1500cal in any given day and I’m just accustomed to that really. Eating more is a challenge to me
 
Byll said:
How easy is it to shred off belly fat while making gains? That’s the main thing. I don’t really eat any more than 1500cal in any given day and I’m just accustomed to that really. Eating more is a challenge to me
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If your not used to training properly, then it is possible to be eating in a slight surplus and gain muscle and get leaner. You might not lose the belly fully, but you’d look better than when you started. You’d also then be in a better position to dedicate to a cut and lose the belly fully without looking like a crack head at the end of it (think big tits on a fat bird), it’s not a good look having abs if you look like a bean sprout.

you ain’t gaining any muscle with them calories, Then with the running etc on top of it, so they’ll be no gains mate.

it’d be easier to get help if you put a pic up of how you look.
You need to find out your maintenance cals aswel
 
Simon90 said:
If your not used to training properly, then it is possible to be eating in a slight surplus and gain muscle and get leaner. You might not lose the belly fully, but you’d look better than when you started. You’d also then be in a better position to dedicate to a cut and lose the belly fully without looking like a crack head at the end of it (think big tits on a fat bird), it’s not a good look having abs if you look like a bean sprout.

you ain’t gaining any muscle with them calories, Then with the running etc on top of it, so they’ll be no gains mate.

it’d be easier to get help if you put a pic up of how you look.
You need to find out your maintenance cals aswel
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What would a good calorie count be for me? 85kg current weight.

Ideally need to gain some arm muscle but ditch some belly fat
 
Byll said:
What would a good calorie count be for me? 85kg current weight.

Ideally need to gain some arm muscle but ditch some belly fat
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Use something like this
https://tdeecalculator.net/
it’s not 100percent but it’ll give you a rough guide/starting point. Fill it in as accurate as possible, whatever it says your maintenance is, eat at that for a 2 weeks, if your weight has stayed the same pretty much you’ll know it’s your maintenance. If you lost weight, you know your maintenance is higher and vice versa if you gained weight.
Once you know your maintenance you can then go into a slight surplus or deficit depending on the goal
 
Simon90 said:
Use something like this
https://tdeecalculator.net/
it’s not 100percent but it’ll give you a rough guide/starting point. Fill it in as accurate as possible, whatever it says your maintenance is, eat at that for a 2 weeks, if your weight has stayed the same pretty much you’ll know it’s your maintenance. If you lost weight, you know your maintenance is higher and vice versa if you gained weight.
Once you know your maintenance you can then go into a slight surplus or deficit depending on the goal
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Thanks for the help! Appreciated !
 
Byll said:
I find an hour with music very enjoyable really. Cardio gives me some clear headspace so I’m generally enjoying it.
As for cardio deficits and such, I had a PT say before, if I had enough energy to do the workouts, and a good amount of protein, then in theory I could do a deficit whilst making gains, and lose weight during.
What do you think of this advice ?
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That's fine if you're enjoying it
But will you enjoy 90 mins or 2 hours?, do you have the time?
My point is, if you wanna lose weight and go straight in at an hours cardio, sooner or later your body will normalize and if you want to lose more weight you'll have to increase calorie expenditure
That can only be done by reducing already lower calories and/or increasing output
There'll be some trial and error involved but whenever anybody starts a diet my advice would be to keep food as high as possible and do as little cardio as you can get away with to give yourself room for adjustment further down the line
Go straight in on 1500cals and 1hr cv then where to you go from there?
Of course if you're activity level is high and you enjoy hours of cardio then in theory you could eat more food compared to someone who does very little
As for the PT advice, in theory it is possible but it's very difficult
And even harder if you're running x3 weekly
As I said before, just by losing fat and weight training you will improve body composition and look bigger
Concentrate on drooping the weight first then you can build back up from a much better starting point
 
Personally woild just eat a structured diet plan and focus on getting overall NEET up. Just do more steps, be more active and do the odd bit of proper cardio. You can increase your cardio vascular performance significantly by workout style. High reps, minimal rest periods etc will keep your heart rate up. You'll also burn more calories lifting weights than you would doing a 20-30min jog (if you lift suffiently hard to create stimulus).
 
Simon90 said:
Use something like this
https://tdeecalculator.net/
it’s not 100percent but it’ll give you a rough guide/starting point. Fill it in as accurate as possible, whatever it says your maintenance is, eat at that for a 2 weeks, if your weight has stayed the same pretty much you’ll know it’s your maintenance. If you lost weight, you know your maintenance is higher and vice versa if you gained weight.
Once you know your maintenance you can then go into a slight surplus or deficit depending on the goal
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what a load of shite that link is when i put my details in it says i should be between 152- 159lb i'm sorry i'm in my 40s not 14
 
JB said:
what a load of shite that link is when i put my details in it says i should be between 152- 159lb i'm sorry i'm in my 40s not 14
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Its used for finding your rough maintenance calories, not what your ideal weight should be. Obviously that’s bollocks, anyone who has a bit of size on them would be classed as obese according to bmi, doesn’t mean we are obese
 
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