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Opinion For A Beginner Cycle

I don't like the 500mg test only cycle .. I have heard its over-stimulates the androgen receptors and its better to use multiple compounds at lower doses to stimulate different pathways, I ran 300 test + 300 primo for my first cycle, no need for an AI because primo modulates e2... had 0 side effects and felt great made decent gains and I started running 1000iu HCG from the middle of my 15week cycle PCT was a breeze with just nolva 20mg a day for 6 weeks
 
Frank Jones said:
I don't like the 500mg test only cycle .. I have heard its over-stimulates the androgen receptors and its better to use multiple compounds at lower doses to stimulate different pathways, I ran 300 test + 300 primo for my first cycle, no need for an AI because primo modulates e2... had 0 side effects and felt great made decent gains and I started running 1000iu HCG from the middle of my 15week cycle PCT was a breeze with just nolva 20mg a day for 6 weeks
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You don't like a test only cycle
But have never done one?
You've only heard about its effects?
The point being made here is this is a first cycle and its wise to use a single compound to see how the body reacts, some people don't need an AI on 500mg of test but how they gonna know if there is eq/deca/primo in the mix first time round
My personal opinion is a low dose test n primo cycle is superior to test only
BUT
for others, that is nothing more than a cruise and test only is better suited to their goals
 
pooley1810 said:
You don't like a test only cycle
But have never done one?
You've only heard about its effects?
The point being made here is this is a first cycle and its wise to use a single compound to see how the body reacts, some people don't need an AI on 500mg of test but how they gonna know if there is eq/deca/primo in the mix first time round
My personal opinion is a low dose test n primo cycle is superior to test only
BUT
for others, that is nothing more than a cruise and test only is better suited to their goals
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That's very true I shouldn't speak on things I have no experience with I have just heard alot of guys saying going over 300 test will give you sides, and that it overloads the androgen receptors when you should be using different pathways to get into an optimal anabolic state
 
Frank Jones said:
That's very true I shouldn't speak on things I have no experience with I have just heard alot of guys saying going over 300 test will give you sides, and that it overloads the androgen receptors when you should be using different pathways to get into an optimal anabolic state
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You have heard people trying to reinvent the wheel.
 
noel said:
or just ignore me and keep asking the same questions ...... let me guess which option you will take........
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I took also 600mg/w of test and for my body is an excessive dose, this is why I want put another compound such as nandrolones 600mg or 300mg/a of nandrolones plus 4-500mg/w of eq. Just for have a different compounds a low dosage that act in different way.
 
Sjundea said:
You have heard people trying to reinvent the wheel.
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Not just random guys... actual coaches of IFBB pros, I wouldn't take advice from some random gear head that gets emotional when someone challenges their opinions.. be careful who you listen to online, I personally think the 500mg test a week is outdated and the recent scientific studies suggest the same
 
Mauro said:
I took also 600mg/w of test and for my body is an excessive dose, this is why I want put another compound such as nandrolones 600mg or 300mg/a of nandrolones plus 4-500mg/w of eq. Just for have a different compounds a low dosage that act in different way.
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That's smart, if you look at josh bridgmans cycle to get his IFBB Pro card it's multiple compounds at very low doses, he didn't need an AI and
literally no sides (his words)

Here's his cycle:

400 test E
300 primo E
200 mast E
100 Tren E

3iu GH
10mg anavar
20mg winny
 
Frank Jones said:
That's smart, if you look at josh bridgmans cycle to get his IFBB Pro card it's multiple compounds at very low doses, he didn't need an AI and
literally no sides (his words)

Here's his cycle:

400 test E
300 primo E
200 mast E
100 Tren E

3iu GH
10mg anavar
20mg winny
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One cycle isn't going to get you a pro card though is it? He built a phyisque naturally then enhanced it gradually with many, many cycles over years.

Yes there is no point using x amount of drug A if you can't grow off drug A alone then why add drug B, C, D and so on?

OP needs to get his diet and training right on a small amount of gear then go from there.
 
I think at the end I think that my point of view of this kind of drugs was wrong and is better do more mild cycle improving gradually the total anabolism and amount of compounds
 
Greedy Ben said:
One cycle isn't going to get you a pro card though is it? He built a phyisque naturally then enhanced it gradually with many, many cycles over years.

Yes there is no point using x amount of drug A if you can't grow off drug A alone then why add drug B, C, D and so on?

OP needs to get his diet and training right on a small amount of gear then go from there.
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That's his biggest cycle to date, I was using it as an example that it's better to use multiple compounds at smaller doses to stimulate the different androgenic pathways rather than just hammering 1 of the pathways with just test its such a shame roids are illegal because there is so much science and secrets undiscovered about these different derivatives
 
Greedy Ben said:
One cycle isn't going to get you a pro card though is it? He built a phyisque naturally then enhanced it gradually with many, many cycles over years.

Yes there is no point using x amount of drug A if you can't grow off drug A alone then why add drug B, C, D and so on?

OP needs to get his diet and training right on a small amount of gear then go from there.
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agree here, context is key, very very very few people ever wi pro card with there first cycle, maybe the odd couple in bikini but even that is rare! also AI use is very personal as are drug reactions and doses to some degree so just as ABC uses it
 
High test doses are pure shit imo.
I won't ever going to use more than 200-300mg / week no matter what i ll do ( bulking/cutting). There are far superior compounds for bulking like nandrolone and trenbolone, adding serious size while keeping the bloat to a minimum, obviosly with a good diet.
If you want to grow especially at 77kg no more than 200mg test and 400mg deca / week is needed. Train heavy with proper form and eat as much and as clean as you can and that's a wrap.
If that doesn't give you results your gear is fake. Also take this into consideration, i know some guys pinning grape seed oil hoping to grow ...
 
EugenC said:
High test doses are pure shit imo.
I won't ever going to use more than 200-300mg / week no matter what i ll do ( bulking/cutting). There are far superior compounds for bulking like nandrolone and trenbolone, adding serious size while keeping the bloat to a minimum, obviosly with a good diet.
If you want to grow especially at 77kg no more than 200mg test and 400mg deca / week is needed. Train heavy with proper form and eat as much and as clean as you can and that's a wrap.
If that doesn't give you results your gear is fake. Also take this into consideration, i know some guys pinning grape seed oil hoping to grow ...
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see I disagree on the test to a degree - but as you said its your opinion (and good to share as people just assume there is only one single way to do this when there isnt)

id never give someone Tren for bulking...risk/reward

Test is person dependant ....500-750mg I feel great on.... id say most around 500mg for a decent middle ground , more down to diet... High test, high deca, high most things apart from Var, Mast or Primo dont allow wiggle room on shittier diets... however the bigger you get its often the case that you want less and less water retention unlike someone new who is almost obsessed with it to look big
 
noel said:
see I disagree on the test to a degree - but as you said its your opinion (and good to share as people just assume there is only one single way to do this when there isnt)

id never give someone Tren for bulking...risk/reward

Test is person dependant ....500-750mg I feel great on.... id say most around 500mg for a decent middle ground , more down to diet... High test, high deca, high most things apart from Var, Mast or Primo dont allow wiggle room on shittier diets... however the bigger you get its often the case that you want less and less water retention unlike someone new who is almost obsessed with it to look big
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Totally agree with you that test is person depending but for me test ruined some cuts big time because of the bloat, especially of i go for 500 test E. With Sustanon 500 per week i guess it s more aesthetically pleasing but still don t like it.

Tren for bulking in small amounts can get you some serious size alongside some deca. I know most people get frickin crazy when they hear combining 2 19-nors but fuck it, it works and it works wonders. Person depending of course

I m with you with the Anavar Masteron Primobolan in high doses but the cruel reality is that most of us can't afford 1000mg of pharm grade Primo per week, 8€ / 1ml ampoule ... 320€ per month is expensive as fuck. Better clean up the diet, cheaper lol
 
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