Migration From A Non Racist View

If you take London out of the South East it changes the whole dynamic. Population density continues unabated across a whole sway of the EU from northern France up to Holland and all across to Western Germany. There’s loads of the U.K. pretty sparsely populated
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The same could be said for anywhere else in the world. Russia for example’ however in terms of land mass and population the southeast is the most densely populated by mostly from economic migrants with nothing to offer.
 
Firstly the south east of England is not the most densely populated area of Europe. Not by a long shot.

Secondly who said it's the migrants that are lowering the standards? From what I see the standards of British people have dropped massively all by themselves thank you very much. And Brits have always loved eating junk food. Fish and chips and bangers and mash are hardly major improvements on what the junk food outlets are selling and if anything it's been the national love for fried food and laziness to cook that has fuelled it.

40% of nurses are of ethnic minority backgrounds in some regions in England while rising taxes and hyperinflation are as a result of the wankers that the majority British population actually voted for. These are homegrown issues and have nothing to do with migrants, unless you're taking a racist view.
I think easy access to cheap labour from Europe has a hand in this, pre full European immigration is was a manager in catering, it was never a well paid job but as a manager of a restaurant in 1996 you could expect around £45,000, in 2019 the same job paid £28,000 you find it's hard to get people to get out of bed when the dole pays more. There is a shift to higher wages now we can't just iron over the issues in labour and businesses cant just employ cheap labour. People who come to the UK and settle I have no problem with, my family are all immigrants but what we had where people coming to the UK, living as cheaply as possible in shared housing, working jobs that paid minimum wage, which in comparison to the wages in their country was a lot. They spend as little as possible and save. Fair enough but this has a network effect on that although they pay tax on earning, not as much returns into the local area as it's being saved to send to another country, low local taxes are paid per person, and a low level of buy in to the local area. This is not about people leaving war torn countries but people seeking economic advantage from living low cost lives and saving to go home. In history of people wanted better wages they could walk out, but clever businesses lobbied governments to allow us to have cheap immigration removing this negotiation option and keeping wages low. This does not do anything for the countries they leave either as it raises issues of labour shortages in countries that lost people to the workers coming to the UK. That is what is wrong with free mass immigration. Plus during those periods we had to limit immigration from non EU countries that had skills to offer as we neededed to put limits where we had control, this affected our ability to get doctors from India, nurses from the Philippines etc
 
The same could be said for anywhere else in the world. Russia for example’ however in terms of land mass and population the southeast is the most densely populated by mostly from economic migrants with nothing to offer.

But it would be. London is an economic business hub and the South East has more business HQ’s than anywhere else in the U.K. and the 2 busiest access points for entry. People go where the money is and in the U.K. that just happens to be vastly more concentrated in one area. No economic migrant will go to Cornwall or Devon.
If that’s an issue for people you have, as the map shows vast parts of the country to move to.
I’m in the outskirts of West London. 20 minutes 1 way it’s a jungle. 20 minutes the other way I’m in the Chiltern Hills with only small villages. Best of both worlds.
 
But it would be. London is an economic business hub and the South East has more business HQ’s than anywhere else in the U.K. and the 2 busiest access points for entry. People go where the money is and in the U.K. that just happens to be vastly more concentrated in one area. No economic migrant will go to Cornwall or Devon.
If that’s an issue for people you have, as the map shows vast parts of the country to move to.
I’m in the outskirts of West London. 20 minutes 1 way it’s a jungle. 20 minutes the other way I’m in the Chiltern Hills with only small villages. Best of both worlds.
Having lived in Japan for years London has nothing on Tokyo for a dense packed powerhouse of money making. I see cities will be thing of past in the future hopefully. But maybe not, we need farms people forget this half of the reason we pack into certain areas is the need for the rest to grow the food to feed us or they are unliveable
 
Having lived in Japan for years London has nothing on Tokyo for a dense packed powerhouse of money making. I see cities will be thing of past in the future hopefully. But maybe not, we need farms people forget this half of the reason we pack into certain areas is the need for the rest to grow the food to feed us or they are unliveable

Off topic but what was Tokyo like? I’ve always wanted to go there.
 
Off topic but what was Tokyo like? I’ve always wanted to go there.
It's awesome, I did not live there I lived Osaka way but I worked in Tokyo three or four times a months staying in hotels so I didn't have the issues my colleagues had with having to get trains to work ( I did experience this sometimes when central hotels were booked). Love Tokyo it's amazing to see, so much food so much history, but in pockets as they rebuilt a lot of it post war. Japan is an amazing country to visit and can be done pretty cheaply
 
The whole point of mass migration is to keep wages artificially low at the bottom end of the scale. Then if anyone complains, you just cry "racist" to silence them. You can already see this in effect as the decrease in migration due to brexit/covid has driven demand for blue collar jobs through the roof and put up wages as a result.
 
But it would be. London is an economic business hub and the South East has more business HQ’s than anywhere else in the U.K. and the 2 busiest access points for entry. People go where the money is and in the U.K. that just happens to be vastly more concentrated in one area. No economic migrant will go to Cornwall or Devon.
If that’s an issue for people you have, as the map shows vast parts of the country to move to.
I’m in the outskirts of West London. 20 minutes 1 way it’s a jungle. 20 minutes the other way I’m in the Chiltern Hills with only small villages. Best of both worlds.
Ok simple question. Do you think adding people to the country right now will help with the 740000 cancer patient back log.
 
I think easy access to cheap labour from Europe has a hand in this, pre full European immigration is was a manager in catering, it was never a well paid job but as a manager of a restaurant in 1996 you could expect around £45,000, in 2019 the same job paid £28,000 you find it's hard to get people to get out of bed when the dole pays more. There is a shift to higher wages now we can't just iron over the issues in labour and businesses cant just employ cheap labour. People who come to the UK and settle I have no problem with, my family are all immigrants but what we had where people coming to the UK, living as cheaply as possible in shared housing, working jobs that paid minimum wage, which in comparison to the wages in their country was a lot. They spend as little as possible and save. Fair enough but this has a network effect on that although they pay tax on earning, not as much returns into the local area as it's being saved to send to another country, low local taxes are paid per person, and a low level of buy in to the local area. This is not about people leaving war torn countries but people seeking economic advantage from living low cost lives and saving to go home. In history of people wanted better wages they could walk out, but clever businesses lobbied governments to allow us to have cheap immigration removing this negotiation option and keeping wages low. This does not do anything for the countries they leave either as it raises issues of labour shortages in countries that lost people to the workers coming to the UK. That is what is wrong with free mass immigration. Plus during those periods we had to limit immigration from non EU countries that had skills to offer as we neededed to put limits where we had control, this affected our ability to get doctors from India, nurses from the Philippines etc
Totally agree but this is only the tip of the iceberg when it comes to mass migration to small areas like London.
 
Ok simple question. Do you think adding people to the country right now will help with the 740000 cancer patient back log.

Yes if they’re nurses and Dr. Mainly Targeted immigration is a good idea

But surely you understand NHS backlogs have very little to do with Migrates and more to do with currently covid restrictions and previously poor spending and shrinking bed numbers. Compare us to Germany. They take in far more people yet have double the bed numbers, better spending and better systems. The NHS is a mismanaged underfunded black hole.
 
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Just to add in case it’s coming across otherwise I don’t think uncontrolled migration is a good idea. I do believe in a points system and a need to encourage needed skills.
I don’t believe all the issues in this country is ‘all them foreigners’ though. It’s far more to do with bad investment, bad spending, poor management and a large encouraged push by business to under invest in development while milking the system.
 
Yes if they’re nurses and Dr. Mainly Targeted immigration is a good idea

But surely you understand NHS backlogs have very little to do with Migrates and more to do with currently covid restrictions and previously poor spending and shrinking bed numbers. Compare us to Germany. They take in far more people yet have double the bed numbers, better spending and better systems. The NHS is a mismanaged underfunded black hole.
The Europe issue affected us hugely in the NHS as they had to quota non EU immigration more, we have always had a issue if not enough drs and nurses to patients we used to get over this with non EU immigration from countries where the ambition was to become a Dr or a nurse. The nurses thing is also a huge fuck up by our governments as for some reason it was deemed necessary to make it a degree only requirement combined with degrees costing money and burderies being dropped. When my granny and aunt became nurses they trained in hospitals paid low wages but lived on site, could afford to live, now a nurse is having to self fund training, pay for housing and start a low paid career saddled with debt. Make it easier and cheaper for nurses to be nurses, not all need the level of knowledge they do now, what they gain now in bio science understanding is at the loss of bed side manner and care which is what they were taught in the old days. Making it a degree just makes it harder for some non academic nurses to enter and costs loads. A plumber does not need to understand the full chemical structure of water to fit a pipe
 
The Europe issue affected us hugely in the NHS as they had to quota non EU immigration more, we have always had a issue if not enough drs and nurses to patients we used to get over this with non EU immigration from countries where the ambition was to become a Dr or a nurse. The nurses thing is also a huge fuck up by our governments as for some reason it was deemed necessary to make it a degree only requirement combined with degrees costing money and burderies being dropped. When my granny and aunt became nurses they trained in hospitals paid low wages but lived on site, could afford to live, now a nurse is having to self fund training, pay for housing and start a low paid career saddled with debt. Make it easier and cheaper for nurses to be nurses, not all need the level of knowledge they do now, what they gain now in bio science understanding is at the loss of bed side manner and care which is what they were taught in the old days. Making it a degree just makes it harder for some non academic nurses to enter and costs loads. A plumber does not need to understand the full chemical structure of water to fit a pipe
Agree
Learn the basics that is required to provide a certain level if treatment
This is where the deficiencies are
Then, the option should be there to gain further knowledge and qualifications if you wanna progress in that career
 
Agree
Learn the basics that is required to provide a certain level if treatment
This is where the deficiencies are
Then, the option should be there to gain further knowledge and qualifications if you wanna progress in that career

This 100%. This country has some terrible schooling systems and their relationships after that for work. I’ve said that since I was in high school in the 90’s.
Learn the basics up till you’re 14 then have more career minded teaching as they do in a lot of countries. So at 14 you go to a more health care focused school that’s 50% nursing say and 50% general study and the same for other industry. Right now kids are only taught how to pass exams and get a degree and it’s the be all end all. Then they get a job where they actually learn more!
I hated school but if you gave me a work focused education I would’ve loved it as would a lot of kids who under achieve.
 
This 100%. This country has some terrible schooling systems and their relationships after that for work. I’ve said that since I was in high school in the 90’s.
Learn the basics up till you’re 14 then have more career minded teaching as they do in a lot of countries. So at 14 you go to a more health care focused school that’s 50% nursing say and 50% general study and the same for other industry. Right now kids are only taught how to pass exams and get a degree and it’s the be all end all. Then they get a job where they actually learn more!
I hated school but if you gave me a work focused education I would’ve loved it as would a lot of kids who under achieve.
Couldn’t agree more

It would have benefited me personally greatly I imagine
 
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