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Are Steroids Behind Young Deaths

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Every few months a big name in bodybuilding, strongman, or powerlifting dies and unfortunately the death is at a young age. Mike Jenkins a few months ago and before that Nassar before that Ed Van Amsterdam and this stretches all the way back to jon pall sigmarsson. all are under 50

there is one common theme through all these deaths and that is the use of steroids.

are steroids behind young deaths? yes there can be history of heart trouble in the family but the fact is steroids have made this worse.

do you worry about your future health?
 
There is growing evidence to suggest length of time on (overall as opposed to, for instance, a single long cycle) negatively impacts the heart. Left ventricle enlargment appears common, above and beyond what we would expect from just weight training. The heart wall thickens which reduces the ejection fraction....at that point an ECG would look more like a wavy line than somethign sharp and defined with clear peaks and troughs.

These problems can take years to manifest (or not...depends on the person)...but I would say, despite the small scale of the studies, the fact that every study looking at this has found teh same thing, worldwide, would suggest there is enough risk to sit up and take notice of it.

In theory - plenty of time off would allow the body time to sort it out. In theory.
 
In the case of strongmen and bodybuilders/powerlifters, if you couple the sheer mass of the body the heart has to sustain with any direct damage the steroids may (or may not have) done to the heart... in my opinion there is a definite heightening of the risk of heart issues at some stage in life.
 
doink said:
Of course they fucking are. Although it's not solely steroids, it's like a number of contributing factors coupled with.


Anyone who hasn't seen the pattern yet and wants to keep kidding themselves is a dick.


Will it stop me using them? Nope, probably not. Have I changed my approach because of it? Yeah...
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that is a good answer oink. at least you are honest. I think many on these bodybuilding forums live in complete denial about what is happening to their health. or they spout the shit 'I don't care could get hit by a bus tomorrow'. it's not just about you, it's about your family and those that love you.
 
Totally agree with doink on this. You will get people on the boards argue to the death that there is no proof show me the bodies blah blah but the body list is piling up.

I still truly believe the 60's and 70's guys weighing 200-240 had it about right. Hard training quality food no bloated 300lb off season physique and sprinkle some ciba Bol and a few other choice meds in for brief periods.

Remember as well that test use that is so common now in stupid 1gr plus amounts was barely ever used then
 
Most people who take steroids are addicted to them and in denial about it. Like all drug addicts they bury their heads in the sand and try to justify their use.

Hearing a steroid addict harping on about the damage caused by tobacco and alcohol and junk food in comparison is kind of pathetic...tragic, even.

Even the most educated and intelligent men can get very one eyed about their steroid use.

Look at Nasser...prime example. Constantly pointed the finger at other people, talked about their drug addictions,mocked them and completely failed to pay attention to himself. Too many people like this unfortunately.
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For every famous death there are too many more unknowns...

I'll tell you again what my bodybuilding-friendly endocrinologist told me: short higher doses and long, sensible, monitored doses as in TRT are rarely a problem, but there's a more immediate danger with prolonged moderate and high doses - a high RBC.

Every month he and the haematologists have to deal with users with a high RBC.

The strokes and heart attacks of guys who don't get treated soon enough are rarely attributed to steroids, as the docs want to treat, not blame.
 
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Yes of course they're a contributing factor!
Steroids make you heavier and this leads to more organ stress.
Steroids make you stronger this leads to more organ stress (or did you think repping out with 500lb was healthy? lol).
Steroids hammer lipid values this isn't healthy.
Steroids can cause insomnia and lack of sleep is directly linked with early death (didn't think about that while you took sleeping pills during those tren cycles did you? lol)

But IMO the biggest risk is just using them for decades and decades!
The body can handle a lot in your 20's less in your 30's then in the 40/50's is when the shit generally hits the fan.
Get in do what you need to and get out :-)
 
sooo what happens if you start hammering them in your 40s and 50s does this mean youll be in your 60s and 70s when you get the shit hitting the fan?? I think its a lot to do with how youre affected, like some smokers who live till theyre a million and stuff... or alcoholics who keep on going even when the elephants drinking the same amount are dying... its a crap shoot and the more you roll the more likely youll crap out... eventually... like everyone...
 
There's growing evidence that if men maintain a healthy testosterone level beyond their 40s they have fewer CV and prostate problems, hence the new interest in TRT.

But it appears that damage caused by ageing and by steroid abuse for instance does not readily reverse, so men going on gear in their 40s+ can be prone to worse side effects.
 
Prodiver said:
There's growing evidence that if men maintain a healthy testosterone level beyond their 40s they have fewer CV and prostate problems, hence the new interest in TRT.

But it appears that damage caused by ageing and by steroid abuse for instance does not readily reverse, so men going on gear in their 40s+ can be prone to worse side effects.
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full of good news you are arent you Pro... :D

now if sides are evident and tests show little in the way of side effects irt bloods, organs etc... all good?? well as much as it may be...
 
Greyphantom said:
full of good news you are arent you Pro... :D

now if sides are evident and tests show little in the way of side effects irt bloods, organs etc... all good?? well as much as it may be...
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Yes - taking gear wisely is probably beneficial for most guys - but it's vital to get bloods done regularly and best to be monitored by and endocrinologist.
 
Con said:
Yes of course they're a contributing factor!
Steroids make you heavier and this leads to more organ stress.
Steroids make you stronger this leads to more organ stress (or did you think repping out with 500lb was healthy? lol).
Steroids hammer lipid values this isn't healthy.
Steroids can cause insomnia and lack of sleep is directly linked with early death (didn't think about that while you took sleeping pills during those tren cycles did you? lol)

But IMO the biggest risk is just using them for decades and decades!
The body can handle a lot in your 20's less in your 30's then in the 40/50's is when the shit generally hits the fan.
Get in do what you need to and get out :-)
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would you say you can "hammer" in 20s, come off 30ish, and body will mend? or is the damage done? not MANY die in 20s as you say mate, well i havent heard any

either way its a lottery isnt it, like all things in life, take your chances an see what happens
 
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