Bodybuilding Has Lied To You

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  1. mal

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    flex lewis does high vol high rep training 40 50 reps plus tri sets,just trains for the pump and failure,
    watched him training chest over xmass endless sets on a hammer incline,then tons of reps
    doing press-ups on two dumbells,then high incline cables absolute failure on every set.
     


  2. Heath

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    But did he build his size training like that?
     
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  3. mal

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    hes always trained the same tbf,neil hill always had him doing multiple sets and high reps for years,
     
  4. TheProducer

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    Would there be a difference to amount of muscle and or shape lost with the halting of gear usage. For example would training for the pump as apose to heavy training cause a greater reduction purely for the fact lifting heavy can give a denser look?
     
  5. Nytol

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    And is he in anyway genetically gifted? I'd say yes?

    CS, who is to say the Priest would not have looked better if he has trained like Yates?

    And I think the Yates could have 'gotten away with' training like Priest and still made some progress, although not to the degree he did.

    He was/is a genetic freak and genetic freaks can train pretty much anyway they want, and still make more progress than most of us ever will with perfect training and diet.

    It is a hard pill to swallow for some, but it is the truth.

    As to my way or the highway, it is what works, I've tried other training methods myself over the years, higher volume, higher frequency, and they just led to regression.

    I've also taken people from higher volume training, people ranging from average, to female, to genetic bodybuilding elite, and had them make the best progress they ever have.

    I'm a very open minded guy, about the whole Universe, but there are certain things, that when all is considered, I maintain are the 'best' way, not the only way, but the best way.

    And my definition of best way is to reach as close to your genetic potential as possible, with the most optimal use of resources, including time, and food.

    I could probably make it a certain distance down the road in my car with my eyes closed, it would be 'a way', but I'm guessing not as good as the generally accepted eyes open way?

    If I volume program produced even equal results, it would not be as good, as it is taking far more time for the same results, like working a 12hr day and only getting paid for 8hrs, but for most, you will only be getting paid for 6hrs, and the more time you put in, the less you get paid.
     
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  6. mal

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    I couldn't answer that tbh mate,but he was huge as a teenager,im sure he lifts heavy at times
    everyone does,you have to or im sure youl get weaker who knows,but if it breaks down the tissue
    and gets rebuilt then youl get bigger,guy keeps banging on in the gym "the muscle doesn't know
    what weight your lifting" heres a random vid,but honestly this is how he trains 99 % of the time.
     
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    Well I know one guy that does that 100 rep FL tricep workout frequently along with other high volume stuff.....his triceps suck.
    He even agreed with me that if he could do heavy dips and skull crusher his growth would be better.
    But due to injury this is the way to go.

    You know another way to look at this whole deal is this.
    The goal is to lift for as long as possible while being as good as possible, correct?
    Well doing light weights and tons of reps is not hard on the body.
    Sure you may get some joint pain but you wont tear muscles very easily!
    So....if you grow very easily from any kind of training why would you NOT train in this manner?
    Only a fool would go super dangerous heavy and intense if it was not needed!
    Bodybuilding gives that guy a pay stub!
    In my case yes I make my living through bodybuilding but its not due to how I look (sure it helps not being a pencil neck but honestly even if I was 140lb I would still make as much) because I know how to help others.
    Why do you think people aren't knocking down the doors of all the pros for help if it as was all about how you look?!
    So for a guy like me if I want to try some reckless training it's fine....I have torn muscles in the past and besides being annoying it hasn't hurt my pay stub at all!
    If I was supporting my family through photo shoots and the like I sure as hell would train in the most harmless manner I could!
     
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    Bang on Righty
     
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    You have to train the way you enjoy it
     
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    Now that is a different topic :)
     
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    Been following this thread with interest, Some really good comments.
    Something I haven't seen mentioned, Would this debate vary if the individual was "Natural" or "Assisted"
    As a "Natural" myself I may be wrong but I was always under the impression that intensive heavier compound movements should be the primary focus with a little bit of higher volume thrown in here and there.
     
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    In my opinion no, heavier compound movements are more effective, for everyone.
     
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    At the end of the day, if you get progressively stronger at ANY exercise in the 8-12 rep range with a 3-1-X-0 tempo then you will grow more muscle it's as simple as that. Simple but not easy.

    What people fail to realise though IMO is that this will not happen every session as the human body is incapable of constant progression (naturally anyway) as there will be other external factors acting against.

    If you're beating PBs every 8-10 weeks or so then you're winning.

    Now there will be ppl who beat PBs more often (eg every 3-4 weeks), some who beat PBs by 5% every time as opposed to 1/2% every time and some whose muscle gets bigger every 8-10 weeks compared to others'. That's genetics. Other than that just stay consistent and enjoy it and the cards you're dealt will dictate how U look.
     
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  14. hsmann87

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    @CS86 what does your physique actually look like out of interest?
     
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    I wouldn't agree with that statement.

    Getting results, often mean going way out of your comfort zone.

    Would you enjoy it then? think not mate.