Clomid Or Nolva?

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  1. Johnny E

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    Whats the best for a PCT, clomid or nolva?
     
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  2. Sjundea

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    Both do diff things. Depends what your bloods say you need.
     
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  3. pooley1810

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    Depends on your cycle
    Compounds
    Doses
    Duration
    And also how you tolerate each drug
    Some people avoid clomid because of its side effects
     
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  4. Johnny E

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    Ye I've heard clomid is really good but has bad side effects. I've just started my first cycle of test e 300mg and I'm planning on a 12 week cycle of 1ml every 5 days.
     
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  5. Mersey Muscle

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    Both at the same time. Side effects can be a little bit unpleasant for a few weeks but if the aim is to kickstart HPTA function again I always found the combination far more effective than using each drug singularly.
     
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  6. Richard Dick

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    They both work by the same mechanism. Nolva has less sides; anecdotally people say clomid works better at stimulating their hpta, although I've not seen any studies that confirm that.

    I would just use nolva and run it for a good 45 days instead of the 4 weeks that's usually recommended. Hcg is far more important than serms for hpta recovery imo.
     
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  7. GhostOf2Can

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    For HPTA recovery I prefer clomid. It’s always worked much better for me
     
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  8. Mersey Muscle

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    45 days? That's very specific mate. What's the reason for that time frame? PCT drugs are awful and it's a miserable time for anyone. The OP is only doing a 12 week low dose cycle. Some hcg (pre pct) and 2-4 weeks with clomid/nolva would be more than enough to kickstart the recovery process.
     
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  9. Richard Dick

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    45 days is exactly one and a half packs. You end up using the same amount of drug as the old 40/40/20/20 recommendation but over a longer time frame. Works better with less sides. I agree that OP barely needs a pct, but 2 weeks is basically pointless imo.
     
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  10. Mersey Muscle

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    We always hit PCT hard and fast for 2-4 weeks on early short cycles.

    Week 1. 150 clomid/60 nolva.
    Week 2. 100 clomid/40 nolva
    Balls usually started to ache/throb by week 3 signalling kickstart had been achieved but if we needed to carry on we would go 50/20 for another 2 weeks maximum then stop.

    Both awful drugs though. Especially clomid. Causes mental episodes and weird eyesight problems etc. Not a drug you want to use for long periods. Really messes with moods.
     
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  11. Richard Dick

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    The reason you associate serms with sides is because of those (in my opinion totally excessive) dosages. 20mg a day of nolva for 45 days causes zero issues for most people.

    If you think doing nolva AND clomid, at 3 times the amount I'm talking about is going to cause less sides just because you do it for a few weeks less is misguided imo

    OP can make up his own mind though.
     
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  12. Mersey Muscle

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    This is what most guys were doing about 15 years ago mate and I haven't suggested the OP should do the same but I can vouch for it as an effective way to quickly kickstart HPTA after a short low dose cycle. Obviously opinions change and the world moves on with new ideas in more modern scientific times. I don't even use clomid/nolva for PCT these days. I use an AI but that's a discussion for another day.
     
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  13. Rob O’tren

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    Try Clomifine and it you get sides switch to enclomifine it could have a lot less sides for you. I can’t use Nolva or Clomid they both have me contemplating life! Raloxifine is an alternative if you don’t get on with any of these but it’s not as effective for recovery.

    I use HMG and Raloxifine as I’ve recovered well on these after two years on.
     
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  14. pooley1810

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    The period between end of cycle and starting pct
    Using enanthate I would wait at least 4 weeks before starting your pct, you could use hcg during this period
    But the whole wait 2 weeks after you last pin before pct is just Internet BS imo
    Obviously cycle dose and compound dependent but enanthate will take more than 2 weeks to fully taper down
    Starting a pct to early with exogenous hormones still in play will make it ineffective
     
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  15. Mersey Muscle

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    This chat about PCT meds has just reminded me of a proper funny chat with a guy on a forum a long time ago. It might not seem funny now but it was a proper rib tickler for the whole forum when it happened and every member on the site gave the guy massive props for the post haha

    There was a really serious debate going on about hcg/nolva/clomid that raged on for about 600 pages until the OP eventually ended the serious chat by saying `I like my tiny balls and I'm keeping them. They make my tiny todger look bigger`.

    I need to find the thread so you can understand what I'm talking about and put it into context. It's a classic gem !
    BRB.
     
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