Clomid Or Nolva?

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  1. Mersey Muscle

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    Do you post on UKM as `Tricky` ?
     
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  2. Richard Dick

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    Nope
     
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  3. GolfDelta

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    OMG what a classic gem (couldn’t find a Sex In the City emoji) :excited: ….
    Tank get a grip it’s so obvious it’s you that it’s embarrassing! What’s going on buddy you ok? Got a source yet? Are Titan decent thinking of trying them?
     
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  4. Bigfella2

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    Following your cycle I would use a combination of Nolva and Clomid.
    Days 1 to 10 100mg Clomid/ 40mg Nolva
    Days 11 to 21 50mg Clomid/ 20 mg Nolva.
    I would start dosing PCT 10 days after final injection as your androgenic hormone levels will be back within low/ normal range.

    I would never advise HCG during PCT, its only purpose is to rectify shrunken testes, this is better done during a cycle rather than when you are trying to recover IMHO.

    Bigfella
     
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  5. Rob O’tren

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    100mg clomid! No way.
     
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  6. Bigfella2

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    Never had an issue with it mate even at higher doses, guess you don't tolerate it well?

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  7. Rob O’tren

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    Seems a bit high for 300mg/week test cycle mate with Nolva too. I can’t see why he’d need 40mg Nolva on top of that either.
     
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  8. GolfDelta

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    I agree. I’d just run 40/40/20/20 nolva for 300mg test e cycle. Also think 10 days isn’t sufficient time for enanthate to clear I’d be looking at 14-21 days personally but OP will only really know with blood work.
     
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  9. Bigfella2

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    Which seems high mate? What Mersey Muscle wrote or what I did? You quoted 2 different people there?
    100mg Clomid I don't believe is that high unless you don't tolerate it well and feel 40mg Nolva is a good dose and very well tolerated especially over only 10 days. It is the best time to be occupying your Estrogen receptors with weak estrogens (SERMS) to speed the recovery along.
    If you tolerate them well, they work well together. You may be able to get away with lower doses but maybe not work as well, it is very individual and blood work would be the only true measure.
    I dosed like this for a long time and always worked well with no issues.

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  10. Bigfella2

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    10 days was based on his cycle, it is only a guide but when you consider his weekly dose approx 400mg and a half-life of roughly 5 days, he will be down to 100mg after 10 days, less than a TRT dose.
    The inhibition of your balls is based on elevated hormone levels. Androgen levels are self correcting due to half life so we let them do their own thing.
    Estrogen is what we work to reduce the effects of and after 10 days his levels should be low enough to start as there will be very little further aromatisation to estrogen and you are already treating it IMHO.

    Bigfella
     
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  11. Rob O’tren

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    Both mate. Mersey is just a troll so take no notice of him. So what would 100mg of clomid do compared to 50mg clomid. Obviously it’s a higher dose but higher doses don’t necessarily mean it’s more effective than a lower dose.
     
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  12. Bigfella2

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    100mg is quite a regular dose used for men during infertility treatment and also as we are trying to quickly reverse the inhibiting effect of the excess estrogen from the cycle I have always gone a little higher to start with as you want to occupy as many receptor sites as possible, so to me a well tolerated 100mg will do more than 50mg dose.
    If the OP doesn't tolerate Clomid well (as we are all different) then lower dosing or not using it at all makes more sense.

    It doesn't mean 50mg wouldn't work well, just it makes sense to reverse as much as possible as quickly as possible using a safe well tolerated dose IMHO.

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  13. Rob O’tren

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    Ok :thumb:
     
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  14. pooley1810

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    He's using over 400mg of test e a week
    You think 10 days is enough time for that to clear and start PCT?
     
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  15. Bigfella2

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    Hi mate, like I said earlier using a rough guide as 5 days half-life for Enanthate (depends on many factors) in 10 days the levels will have halved twice leaving around 100mg left which is less than most TRT doses, and will not convert to a great deal more estrogen.
    Androgen levels are self correcting naturally due to half-life so I think starting to tackle the estrogenic inhibition after 2 half-lives is a good starting point from that dose.
    There is no exact science for it but levels should be sufficiently low and you are clearing out the estrogen from the receptors by replacing with the SERM at a good low hormone point when you are little away from TRT doses.

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