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First Cycle Ever - 2 Questions

Discussion in 'Anabolic Steroids & Prohormones' started by Stelios, Jan 14, 2020.

  1. Stelios

    Stelios Full Member

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    Hello everyone!
    This is my firat post in the forum so nice to meet you all!
    I am thinking of doing my first cycle ever this April. I was thibking of Masterone, Wistrol, Anavar, Ostarine cycle (+clen and cardarine) and HGE + Arimidex/Nolva for PCT.
    Whay
    T are your thoughts about my choices? ( I am trying to avoid the bloated look as you understand - looking for less but harder gains).
    Also I am living in a tiny town in uk where NOBODY seems to know NOONE who can provide me with the above...can someone point in a discreet way towards a clue please?
    Thank you very much!
    Stelios
     


  2. Sjundea

    Sjundea Top Contributor

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    Looks very illogical.
    5 orals with masteron and no testosterone?
     
  3. Stelios

    Stelios Full Member

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    2 inj (Masteron and Winstrol) - 2 oral (Anavar and Ostarine). + Clen and Cardarine from the non steroid spectrum
    Yeah I try to avoid Testosterone... going for a slightly safer plan Androgenic-wise
     
  4. Porky

    Porky Committee brofessor Top Contributor

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    That's an awful lot of separates that dont amount to much imo
     
  5. Sjundea

    Sjundea Top Contributor

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    I'd do this:

    Test e or c : 500mg per week (2ml)
    500iu hcg x 2 per week
    0.5mg arimidex x 2 per week (adjust to own estrogen response)
    Cardarine - purely for cardio benefits as I would assume you like crossfit?

    Sack off, the masteron, winstrol, anavar, ostarine, clen for first cycle.
    Ostarine btw would be a complete waste of money with all the other stuff.
     
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  6. Stelios

    Stelios Full Member

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    Thanks for your opinion brother. Going just Test E was my plan B but it seems that more and more people are telling me to try this so I might do that (if I find a way to ever get my hands on). I was just a bit worried that I would become too big for what I wanted to achieve and bloat. Thats why my choices where less potent for muscle growth but more for cutting and looking hard and ripped. Ostarine did help me when I took it as a solo compound but you might be right... how much can it help with all that other stuff on top.
     
  7. pooley1810

    pooley1810 Moderator

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    Looks terrible
    You've basically chosen all the 'dry' compounds to avoid the bloated look
    If you're looking to gain, why choose clen?
    I wouldn't use it in any situation tbh
    For a first cycle use 1 compound and see how you react
    Test only for 10-12 weeks would be most productive imo
    Bloat will be controlled by diet and estrogen
     
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  8. pooley1810

    pooley1810 Moderator

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    If you dont wanna get too big then prob best to avoid steroids
     
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  9. Stelios

    Stelios Full Member

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    Thanks for the answer!
    I would use clen to shred just before summer but I see a few people avoiding it at all cost.
    I am not looking to "bulk" by putting loads of water on. I am looking for less but more hard/quality muscle mass. But as more and more people are telling me to try just test in my first cycle I might do that then.
     
  10. Stelios

    Stelios Full Member

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    I dont want to be as big as Bumstead but I would love to get as big as Mike Thurston for example...so thats why I am asking you guys... dont want to f@ck up in my first cycle.
     
  11. pooley1810

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    That's just my opinion on clen
    Some people get on fine with it
    But I wouldn't recommend it to anyone, I feel the negative sides outway the benefits
    The reason multiple compounds aren't recommended first time is because you dont know what is working, what isnt and what's causing any side effects
    Try test only, 4-500mg pw with 0.5mg adex x2 per week
    Clean diet with 250-300g protein
    If that works well then you have a good starting point for next time if that's your choice
     
  12. huntingground

    huntingground Fookin Pencil Neck Competitor

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    No idea who these guys are. I don't compare myself to anyone (well, maybe Poundstone :whistling:), just be a better version of yourself. They probably have elite genetics are on a boatload of gear.

    500mg Test for 10-12 weeks.

    Check eroids.

    Enjoy.
     
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  13. pooley1810

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    Dont know who those people are but I'll assume they have decent physiques that they didnt just achieve overnight or in 1 cycle
     
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  14. Stelios

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    Thanks a lot for your answer :)
    Appreciate it!
     
  15. Stelios

    Stelios Full Member

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    Tha ks for your honest opinion! Really appreciate it.
    Bumstead is the classic physique Mr Olympia and Mime Thurston is a coach/fitness youtuber
     
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