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First Cycle Ever - 2 Questions

Discussion in 'Anabolic Steroids & Prohormones' started by Stelios, Jan 14, 2020.

  1. Stelios

    Stelios Full Member

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    Thanks for the answer once more.
    I am not pressing, I was just trying to understand the idea behind it. From the very first comments I said that most probably I will do just Testo E (at one point) but I wanted to understand why the above (mast, winny and anavar) dont stack. Other than that I know how I look mate... been training for 7 months in total. Probably too early to consider peds as you said. Here is a picture of me when I started. I want to believe that without a personal trainer or any guidance (except youtubing) I changed my body a bit (was 97kg , I am now 85kg) SmartSelect_20200114-170843_Gallery.jpg
     

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  2. Richard Dick

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    Mast, primo and proviron don't have any noticeable anabolic effects, well primo slightly if you're doing at least a gram of it a week. Once you find a source you'll realise the problem with that. Mast and proviron are used to combat progesterone sides mainly, don't do anything to build muscle. Taking too many compounds right off the bat, you'll have no idea what's working, what's giving you sides, what's bunk, etc.

    Winstrol and var work fine together but you need to try them both on their own at least once first.

    Also none of your proposed stacks include test - steroids shut down your own testosterone production so you'll want to include it at least at trt dosage for normal functioning. You can get away without it in some cases, doing tren only, or using eq but most people feel better with actual test.

    I see what's going on in your head, and what you'll probably be most happy doing is test and dhb, but you can't do that as a beginner for obvious reasons if you look into dhb.
     
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  3. Greedy Ben

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    Well done on the weight loss and change so far, just stick at it. Read up on steroids by all means and everything that goes with it but for now you're priority should be getting stronger and getting bodyfat down a touch too imo.

    Start a log, if you are willing to take on advice people will help.
     
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    I know it’s slightly off topic but how would Mast and proviron help with progesterone? I thought you would need something like caber.
     
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  5. Stelios

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    Thanks for your help and ideas so far :) Appreciated.
    Will continue natty for another year or so and see my progress then...
     
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  6. Stelios

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    Will look into the above in detail my friend. Thabk you very much for ur time :)
     
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  7. Richard Dick

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    19nors 5a to dhn which is weaker than dht whilst competing with it at the receptors. That's why people usually say they feel better on a higher dose of test with their deca/tren, but taking mast or another dht has the same effect without the aromatisation and other issues with high test.
     
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    Not going to lie had to read that a few times, I think I’ve made heads and tail of it.

    So In theory you could run mast with tren and not have to worry about gyno from progesterone?

    or am I talking bullocks?
     
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  9. Richard Dick

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    Correct, 200mg to 400mg of mast in there and you've got a much better chance of not having issues and needing caber.
     
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  10. Proteinbrah

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    Caber is for prolactin

    Mast and prov are dht derivatives and have absolutely nothing to do with combating progesterone sides(what even are they?)

    Wouldn’t take much notice of the other drivel, someone been reading steroid.com too much
     
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  11. Richard Dick

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    You've obviously never tried it then.
     
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  12. noreason

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    From reading online (which is obviously is a mine field) when taking 19nors like tren if you allowed your e2 to get to high you could suffer prolactin issues such liquid from your nips and progesterone issues such as gyno.

    And to combat the sides of both with caber.

    right or way off?
     
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    Caber does nothing for progesterone

    Estrogen causes gyno, prolactin can make you lactate, if you already have gyno
     
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    Caber is for prolactin
    You should only get prolactin issues if you dont keep e2 under control
    So, if you manage e2 correctly then you shouldn't need caber
    This is why some people prefer low test with 19nors, as it's easier to manage e2 therefore limiting the negative effects
     
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  15. noreason

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    I need to do a bit more home work. Care to Explain how it works?
     
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