I want to introduce Deca to current cycle.

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Cull

Hi everyone,

I’m currently running 450 test E, pinning MWF.
Arimidex @ 0.5 EOD and HCG at 250iu E3D.

Eating 3500 calories which is 1000 surplus. Macros are on point.

I’ve been on now for 5 weeks.

My bloods are good.

My blood pressure is fine.

I’m feeling amazing, little to no sides. Slightly oily skin on my chest but the my skin routine seems to be keeping the acne at bay.

I have enough of the above meds for a 20week cycle.

I’m strongly thinking about adding 300mg Deca for 10 weeks. I want to grow.
If I was to introduce Deca at 300mg how often should I pin?

Do I need to adjust anything else?

What’s your thoughts?

Should I just continue and add Deca on the next cycle?

Thanks for reading!
 
For me I prefer Deca for a bit longer. I always got amazing strength gains from week 7-8 onwards with it so I always ran it for 14 weeks minimum. 10 weeks would feel like cutting it short for me at least so I’d save it for next time and rinse everything out of what you’re currently on if it’s going well and get planning for the next.
 
Thanks for the reply bro!
I thought this may be case.
I hold off for the next one.
When I do go down this road, how often should I be pinning deca?
 
Cull said:
Hi everyone,

I’m currently running 450 test E, pinning MWF.
Arimidex @ 0.5 EOD and HCG at 250iu E3D.

Eating 3500 calories which is 1000 surplus. Macros are on point.

I’ve been on now for 5 weeks.

My bloods are good.

My blood pressure is fine.

I’m feeling amazing, little to no sides. Slightly oily skin on my chest but the my skin routine seems to be keeping the acne at bay.

I have enough of the above meds for a 20week cycle.

I’m strongly thinking about adding 300mg Deca for 10 weeks. I want to grow.
If I was to introduce Deca at 300mg how often should I pin?

Do I need to adjust anything else?

What’s your thoughts?

Should I just continue and add Deca on the next cycle?

Thanks for reading!
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If everything is going well then leave it alone, get the most out of the least

I keep seeing an AI as a standard part of a cycle protocol and this shouldn't be the case
These drugs are very harsh on the body and there is absolutely no need to include it unless you get negative effects from estrogen
Guys, estrogen is an important hormone for many reasons in males including building muscle and this whole assumption that its the female hormone and men want it as low as possible is rubbish
IMO estrogen can be kept as high as possible as long as there are no negative effects, only exception being if cutting for a show
If someone is needing to add a load of AI their other drugs are too high
 
Low estrogen=low gains. I was small AF on SARMs. I've never seen anyone get/look huge off SARMs alone, besides in flattering pictures and all SARMs tank your estrogen into the ground.

A wise man once said if you need to take an AI to keep taking X dose than lowering X dose and dropping the AIs will yield more gains.
 
The big guys don't use them other than contest prep or pushing very high doses
Certainly don't need it on 450 test
Its become a recent trend, social media and the quest to stay lean year round whilst pushing high doses of drugs have influenced this
Jay Cutlers era didn't even know what an AI was
 
pooley1810 said:
If everything is going well then leave it alone, get the most out of the least

I keep seeing an AI as a standard part of a cycle protocol and this shouldn't be the case
These drugs are very harsh on the body and there is absolutely no need to include it unless you get negative effects from estrogen
Guys, estrogen is an important hormone for many reasons in males including building muscle and this whole assumption that its the female hormone and men want it as low as possible is rubbish
IMO estrogen can be kept as high as possible as long as there are no negative effects, only exception being if cutting for a show
If someone is needing to add a load of AI their other drugs are too high
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Would you say to cut it out then?

pooley1810 said:
If everything is going well then leave it alone, get the most out of the least

I keep seeing an AI as a standard part of a cycle protocol and this shouldn't be the case
These drugs are very harsh on the body and there is absolutely no need to include it unless you get negative effects from estrogen
Guys, estrogen is an important hormone for many reasons in males including building muscle and this whole assumption that its the female hormone and men want it as low as possible is rubbish
IMO estrogen can be kept as high as possible as long as there are no negative effects, only exception being if cutting for a show
If someone is needing to add a load of AI their other drugs are too high
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I had a bit of weird event with my right nipple. It enlarged and went cone shaped. It happened 3 weeks in. I started the AI just to be safe. Do you think I should cut it back a bit? Maybe .5 once a week?
 
Cull said:
Would you say to cut it out then?


I had a bit of weird event with my right nipple. It enlarged and went cone shaped. It happened 3 weeks in. I started the AI just to be safe. Do you think I should cut it back a bit? Maybe .5 once a week?
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It went back to normal 2/3 days after the first dose
 
Cull said:
Would you say to cut it out then?


I had a bit of weird event with my right nipple. It enlarged and went cone shaped. It happened 3 weeks in. I started the AI just to be safe. Do you think I should cut it back a bit? Maybe .5 once a week?
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Well gyno is certainly a negative effect from estrogen and should be dealt with, you're obviously more sensitive as 450 isn't a particularly high dose
The same as everything in this game, get the most out of the least, go in low and you can always increase if necessary
I would half your dose now and go 0.5 e4d
 
OP
You mentioned your bloods are good
What does that mean exactly?
What did you get tested and how far into your cycle?
Was estrogen tested?
 
I tested about a month before I started.
I then tested at 4 weeks. I plan to then test at 10 weeks to determine how long to stay on for.
I’m using a site called Thriva (uses a finger prick). The result are produced as low - in range - slightly high - high.
It says estradiol slightly high.
Everything other than Total Testosterone say in range. Testosterone high.
I’m considering getting at a full screening done at 10 weeks.
 
Instead of deca try a mast or EQ? Maybe even primo if you have the $? It's why some guys are able to push the envelope on high test with sensitivity to E as all of those somewhat control E.

Idk pooley physiques just looked better in the 90s and early 2000s. Not sure if it was more training less social media. If less thought into cycles meant more. Or if the grainy footage just looked better. Dunno.
 
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