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Insulin And Metformin Together?

Discussion in 'Growth Hormone/Peptides' started by Penguin, Jun 25, 2019.

  1. Getbig25

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    What’s your results been like being up at 80iu or so? How long did you run the 60 and 80 for?

    Would you say you made good progression incorporating the slin?

    Did you run GH alongside?
     


  2. Penguin

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    Huge progression with slin, massive fan of Lantus.

    However I didn't notice a difference between the 60 and 80 iu but I believe that was down to me simply not eating enough. Like some guys who use grams of gear, they don't put down enough food to utilize it. Like the SHIC cycles, most fail because of food intake (among other reasons).

    I do 4 week on and 4 off. The 80 if you want to get technical was around 3 week as I knew it wasn't making a difference. Never used GH before, closest thing to was MK677 but even that I was only using 10mg a day for its healing properties so can't comment how it would have worked in the 20-30mg range.

    Was a buzz using the Lantus pen though and the clicker actually stops at 80 for a single shot. He who dares eh @BigChap92 haha
     
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  3. noel

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    this is true

    Slin WILL help, as even if you hold water only off it, strength rise, so therefore muscles working harder and growing - BUT you need to feed it to have nutrients to be partitioned and keep the size - and as mentioned in other threads hold that size/soldifiy if you will...I think with heavier diets its such a worthwhile addition (however again faster)

    I like the shorter versions for most people, yes you have external factors, heat/dehydration, carbs in system, but when bulking you have to be a wally to get it wrong - even more so to not have a bag of haribo in your gym bag. All the naysayers for intra are also proven wrong here as if your necking an intra chances are your having carbs there fore not going to go hypoe. As per usual its about balance...not being too fat to start with and then pushing to a level and then keeping there before dieting back little before the next push

    Use GH with it and its a great tool that means cycles can be a touch lighter but still reaping the rewards.
     
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  4. BigChap92

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    Yeah it does plenty of valuable things, if anything increased glycogen from the slin alone would increase your time to fatigue so there’s an easy performance benefit. It just never materialised for me, I don’t feel it added anything.

    The benefits are clear to anyone who takes the time to read about it but real world results don’t always tie in to what you expect on paper, not in my case anyway. I know fellas who won’t run a cycle without it though and the pros all use it so it’s gotta have a place. I just didn’t see it but there’s plenty of other things in that box.
     
  5. Sjundea

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    You see reading your first post I assumed you were talking about Novo/fast slin. Fast slin in my opinion the potential for a hypo is there and can only be mitigated. Obviously good preparation and knowing your body plays a part.
    I will say now I know for a fact I need more carbs per iu on a leg day than a chest day. If I sweat more or my session goes on for longer, again I have felt the early onset of a hypo, quickly mitigated by getting some dextrose tabs in.
    Yeah my missus knew I was on it and tbh glad she did as whilst she didn't understand the need for me to have extra carbs in my gym bag (never explained the whole process of slin to her) she knew my sugars was low so sorted out some carbs whilst I sat in a pool of my own sweat feeling the worst I have ever felt. If I ever run Novo again I will always let the person I train with know what I am doing as it's just safer to do so imo.
    Lantus is a different game imo. 100% it is nearly impossible (ime and on reasonable doses - up to 60iu but I split so 2 x 30iu) to go hypo. Like you say we eat too much. I too prefer lantus, mainly because it is safer and secondly because I feel looking back I made the most "gains" on it. My strength and recovery was amazing when using it. Obviously blew up a bit with water but for strength training (which I was doing at the time) this was absolutely perfect.
     
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  6. Penguin

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    In my humble opinion Lantus is King when it comes to slin. Least sides, piss easy to manage and with it having a drip feed/slow release effect you're literally anabolic all day (I know the hours are argued between 17-24).

    In regards to fast slin like myself and @BigChap92 said it comes to managing it day by day. We've all pointed out the factors that can differ so my solution to this is just to have a couple packs of dex tabs on you at all times. Job done. Yeah you may gain extra fat but so what just diet it off ffs (that isn't aimed at you just speaking in general here).

    If someone decides to use slin I'd rather put on some fat than chance going hypo. Very simple and very safe IMO.
     
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  7. noel

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    many pros use both Lantus to tick over - then fast slin to spike pre and post or pre or post twice per day if they are training x2 alongside GH.... many ways to use...

    I think its easier, and with any chaps ive helped the same. I do agree with what your saying re ease, but fast slin you don't have to use huge amounts, 2-3iu with a few high carb meals per day is impossible to go wrong on unless you incapable of simple maths - both work so its swings and roundabouts

    around workouts if your matching slin to carbs not vice versa its hard to get wrong - ive done it and many here do - considering it can be 30-35 degrees and 90% humidity we need to be even more careful, yet I haven't met anyone who's messed up by doing it. More guys back in the Uk seem to go wrong and its either where they push the slin with out carb coverage or mess the dose up. Either way you need to respect it and treat accordingly and if you cant just don't use full stop.

    best way is to try both and see which suits
     
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  8. Penguin

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    Agreed. Tried all and couldn't be arsed with pinning before every meal plus as I said your calorie intake needs to be up there not just to obviously keep you safe but to utilize what you're putting in your body.

    Out of interest did you lot read that supposed leaked protocol on Dallas McCarver? It had him down for 100iu Lantus, then 20-25iu Humalog before each meal and he ate 8x a day. Could be bollocks as none of us know but a decent bit of gossip nonetheless
     
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    Chad is well know for big doses for big meals , 60-80 lantus plus 10iu per meal for large guys is certainly very doable and for someone his size I bet its not far from the truth...... Milos had JP on close to 200iu I believe , ive spoken to guys who use the lantus dose above and then 15-20 pre and post of Humalog..... that's at a high AM to Pro level
     
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    Yeah I can certainly believe it though all this 'leaked' stuff is hearsay.

    What I remember it was the slin protocol I've mentioned, 20-30 iu GH per day, EPO which surprised me in terms of bodybuilding. Then of course all the usual big doses of injectables.

    One that really stood out was the 400mg of Anadrol per day haha
     
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    That GH15 fella used to say that didn’t he, get mega lean then run high dose anadrol and apparently makes you look insane.

    EPO I’ve always thought would give you a decent return... Increased blood volume would give you more potential for nutrient delivery, potentially faster recovery which potentially speeds up the whole muscle building process, you’d have a far better and laster longing pump, more vascularity, better oxygen delivery so increased time to fatigue and a higher work capacity but most importantly imo, it’d make walking around 300lb + less of a living hell!

    Can you imagine how rough it’d be at that weight?

    EPO has been battered in pretty much every sport for years as they could only detect it within 24 hours, USADA didn’t even test for it until this year, detection time and now increased to 48 hours so expect a few more failures in the news but it is a mega compound isn’t it, for bang for buck it has to be the best thing out there?

    But the dangers are real I suppose.

    Would love to give it a go but unlikely I’ll ever do it as I mostly value my life and would undoubtedly fuck it up.

    @noel did you ever use the epo in the fighting days?
     
  12. Penguin

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    Yeah I recall the GH15 stuff. Trenbolona, GH, ice cream and Anadrol were the order of the day. Sound advice if you ask me minus the GH as I'm a cheap cunt.

    Do you remember that BFG guy? He seemed to know his stuff, rumour had it he was Gavin Kane and if you read his articles you can deff see a correlation.

    In fairness I only know about the basics of EPO, endurance athletes using it for the increased oxygen supply etc so I suppose that's why it surprised me. Like you said though with all the other drugs raising your RBC like Anadrol, EQ et all I never looked into it as I just thought fuck that lol. Give me tren, slin, benzos etc but I'm drawing the fucking line at EPO. Proud hypocrite here.

    @noel would be interesting to know what you used when you fought? Few lads at my gym do MMA but its just the typical m-tren, halo preworkout and pre-fight.
     
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  13. noel

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    EPO is another thing used by a lot, milos and other gurus plus even regional coaches here.
    see the obvious benefit but my take is if the guys on TDF with access to docs mess it up, a BB using a shit ton more than some test and EPO, t3 etc at over natural bodysize is asking for trouble. Not sure why we fear some things more than others but im already raising haemocryticlevels with anabolics.

    nah never used EPO
    tbol, var and some some oral test tablets (andriol) and low EQ like 200
    thais would inject anything and everything....whatever the gym boss said, or orals only pre training....which is now the done thing.

    MMA guys would be Turinabol, Var, low test (unless your Brazilian) plus EQ, then stuff like Cheque drops pre (popular with the pride era guys)..good pal of mine is half Brazilian and trained with the original team at BTT (Bustamentes team) back in the day when they and Chute Boxe (wanderlei, cyborg - male, rua brothers were pretty much at war, so guys like the Nogs and specimines like Ricardo Arona....who could just step on a physique stage and place. Pre USADA the whole 6months in Brazil trips to "polish your BJJ' were basically were 20% learn more BJJ and 80% train whilst juiced up

    post that EPO in lower dose got used for guys, but a lot (much like some BB) are clueless and just take whatever is about or the big guy at the gym says.
     
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