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New Cycle Finalised

Discussion in 'Anabolic Steroids & Prohormones' started by Lee Max, May 15, 2020.

  1. Lee Max

    Lee Max Full Member

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    Hi guys

    so I have decided on my first cycle and I would like peoples opinions please.
    I am going to keep the cycle as simple as possible for my first time.

    500mg test-e per week for 12 weeks pinning once per week

    0.5 mg Arimidex eod

    PCT starting at 4 weeks post cycle
    Nolvo 20 mg a day for 4 weeks
     
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  2. noel

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    looks good to me... might not even need that amount of adex to be fair, very person dependant but looks sound mate. Good idea to keep simple and limit variables to know whats doing what. Make sure you eat up and train hard!
     
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  3. Lee Max

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    Thanks mate, yes I wanted to keep the first cycle as basic as possible, some people have mentioned HGC and clomid but I’m not to sure as all this AI and PCT gets confusing to a newbie. I’ve cut out all cardio for now and am lifting 4 times per week consuming 3000 kcal per day so let’s see what happens
     
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  4. noel

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    I think youll be fine there, personally i dont use HCG or have others use it unless they have a bit more experience. Youll get mixed views on that to be honest.

    Clomid id probably have to hand as part of a cycle, in the same way i would have nolvo and Adex ready always.... if i was doing a PCT that is... Adex should cover you fine.
     
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  5. Imspartacus

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    I would drop that AI dose to 0.25 2 x wkly, you can always increase if needed but the last thing you want to be doing at the start of your cycle is tanking your estrogen.
    hCG would be a very welcome addition at around 750iu weekly, it does more than just keeping the nuts ticking, it also will make PCT a whole lot easier, on top of that it does a ton of other beneficial stuff,
    Here is a brief extract from a paper i wrote a few years ago on the extra benefits.

    In laymans terms hCG increases the dynamics of CYP450 which in turn increases the rate at which drugs can be metabolized,

    which in turn increases protein dynamics.

    Basically by the action of hCG on P450 dynamics it also increases pregnenolone which

    is the precursor for all other steroid hormones and has many benefits,

    one of which is that it serves to keep/restore a natural hormonal balance within this key pathway even if the HPTA is suppressed,

    it also has energizing, anti-stress benefits, elevates mood through the raising of NDMA activity and reduces excess Cortisol.

    If these aren't good enough reasons (apart from fertility) then i don't know what are.
     
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  6. Raisin

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    If using 250mg/ml I would stretch cycle to 15 weeks so that I use 3 bottles of test. But that's just me.

    I wouldn't use any adex either but that's because I know I don't need it at that dose.
     
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  7. Mark1234

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    Personally I wouldn’t start with the Adex. Would wait and see how you feel once you are 4-5 weeks into the cycle. If you do want it in tho, I would just use 0.5mg the day after you pin.

    As someone above said don’t want to tank your Estrogen on your first cycle.
     
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  8. Lee Max

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    That’s exactly what I was thinking mate might as well use it all up. I have the adex to hand anyway just incase
     
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  9. Lee Max

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    What do you mean see how I feel?
    What would I start to feel to know that I need it? Sorry for the questions I’m planning on starting my cycle around October as I’m trying to gain every bit of weight I can from eating and lifting heavy at the moment. So I have plenty of time to educate myself more and any info and pointers would be greatly accepted. I’m trying to get my head around HCG at the moment as I wasn’t planning on using it but some say I should.
    Thanks
     
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  10. Lee Max

    Lee Max Full Member

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    Would this be taken in one pin per week?
     
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  11. Greedy Ben

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    Not everyone uses ai, it's very person and dose dependant.
    Some think you are either pre disposed to develop gyno symptons or not.
    These usally happen around puberty and aas reignites them.
    If you are disposed to skinny fat/flabby pecs then I would be careful but if not just see how you get on at first.
    Of course there can be other high eostrogen sides but it's not a given that you will get any.
     
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  12. Imspartacus

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    It's your choice, there are advocates of once weekly, twice weekly, thrice weekly, it's surely up to the individual!
     
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  13. Imspartacus

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    There is a hell of a lot more to taking an AI than gyno and the below are just some of the GIVENS.
    What about the fact excess estrogen is far more suppresive to the HPTA than test? or excess estrogen raises SHGB so less free test to grow, or higher TBG causing kidney and cardiovascular issues, need i go on?
     
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  14. Greedy Ben

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    It's op's first cycle - he isn't Flex Lewis.
    Did he he get bloods done before? Getting more done 3wks in? Mid cycle? Post cycle? Gear tested etc?

    In a perfect world maybe but a first cycle?
     
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  15. Imspartacus

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    No and he ain't flex wheeler either but that makes no difference, without an AI he will still have the issues i mentioned and will have a harder time with recovery post cycle.
    I'm just trying to help the guy do it the best and safest way possible, you just seem intent on proving i'm talking bollox.
    Bet i don't get a like from @pooley1810 even though he learn't most of what he says from me though he don't know it, hey... who is spartacus :rofl:.
     
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