You need classify what you mean by genetics really... - Genetics to get big? - Genetics to get/stay lean? - Genetic shape/structure (ie Branch Warren ugly or Shawn Ray/Flex Wheeler impressive) - etc For me getting big and having a decent structure is simple. I actually stay relatively lean, I never lose my mid section now... this has been a year on year thing though, each year after a competition I just don't seem to get as fat as the last. But to get insanely lean - that's another thing all together. Look up a guy called Michael Locket... Saw him at Fibo. Everyone goes on about what a genetic freak he is, and how he's always lean and full and round and looks like an alien. I always brushed it off as hype. But fucksake no... Very real! Genetics are a thing! I couldnt care less about what anyone assumes he's on, that look he has isn't built on tren and Masteron! I've seen genetic mungrels blast fuck tonnes of AAS and they still look nothing like he would having never touched a barbell. It just isn't a level playing field. At all. Anyone who thinks that is hugely in denial. People have to realise that just because because they can't attain something or they haven't seen it happen doesn't mean it isn't happening somewhere else.