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Pct - Coming Off For Good (hopefully!)

Discussion in 'Anabolic Steroids & Prohormones' started by Mark1234, Apr 17, 2019.

  1. Mark1234

    Mark1234 Full Member

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    Hi Guys,

    Hoping I can get some advice on PCT protocol.

    Background
    I am 31 years old. Cycled on and off of gear from October 2009 to April 2016. The last 2 years of which I was probably “on” about 9 months v 3 months off.

    Came off in April 2016, no PCT just stopped jabbing. Felt a bit crap for a while but seemed to get away with it. Libido still felt like a bit of a problem tho.

    November 2017 met a new girl I liked and decided to run low dose of Test to help with libido. Ran it for 2 months then came off again.

    More recently in February 2019 met a new girl I liked but again libido seemed to be an issue, jumped on Test again (probably not the best idea but panicked a bit).

    Have now been for about 2 months (running 250mg Test E10D) and wanting to come off, but plan is to do a proper PCT with a view to staying off for good.

    Aside from my 1st cycle I have never done a PCT (again bad idea I know! But can’t really go back and change it all now).

    Planned PCT
    HCG 1,500iu EOD (18 days)

    After the HCG is finished;
    Clomid 50mg (45 days)
    Nolva 20mg (30 days)
    Vitamin D3 10,000iu throughout

    A few questions;
    1. Do the more experienced PCT guys think the above looks appropriate doses wise?

    2. Is it worth throwing Proviron in? Have read mixed reviews on this.

    3. When should I start the HCG, is it a certain number of days after last jab?

    Any other comments welcome.

    Cheers
     


  2. Archaic

    Archaic Full Member

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    The main thing you need to do is to get the balls responsive to the SERMs, which is what the HCG is for.

    I'd run Nolva alongside any high dose of HCG to prevent gyno, it's very aromatisable.

    The main thing you need mate as said, get the balls back online and run the Clomid/Nolva.

    Prov will help your general well-being.

    I'm currently about to run this, but it's for a hardcore fertility PCT.

    First 4 Weeks:

    HCG 2500iu E3D - 10shots
    HMG 75iu E3D - 10shots
    Nolvadex 20mg ED
    Proviron 150mg ED
    Vitamin d3: 7500iu ED
    Vitamin E: 1000iu ED
    Cod liver oil: 10ml ED
    ZMA: ED

    Month 2:

    Clomid:
    100mg ED p/w
    100mg ED p/w
    50mg ED p/w
    50mg ED p/w
    (Maybe carry on with 50mg EOD for a further 2 weeks, if needed)

    Nolva:
    20mg ED p/w
    20mg ED p/w
    20mg ED p/w
    20mg ED p/w
     
  3. Mark1234

    Mark1234 Full Member

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    Thanks for the advice mate. Do you think 1,500iu for the HCG is maybe a bit high, would I be better going with something a bit lower like 1,000iu?
     
  4. noel

    noel Top Contributor

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    doesn't look too bad

    Proviron is more for fertility and sperm motility than just restoring test levels.... it can be useful but I wouldn't add more drugs in seeing as you have been on low dose test....

    HCG to be fair it doesn't really matter when .....as you cant time the clearance perfectly anyway and your test levels will be dropping day by day

    Vit D level is fine

    make sure everything else in play too, doing some excerise but not caining it. ditch booze and smoking if doing so. High Omegas (much better than Cod Liver oil) ....Krill oil if poss or a good Omega.
    Possibly some adaptogens too , or cortisol lowering supps like Phosphatidyl Serine to keep stess levels down.
    Make sure some meats and fatty fish in too..
     
  5. Afghan

    Afghan Top Contributor

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    Any bloods done to see whether you actually need to put all that crap in your body? You may not need them
     
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  6. JANIKvonD

    JANIKvonD JandirTheJandirHandler Top Contributor

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    sounds like a shitter situation mate.. a lot is probably 'mental', rather than physical. i'd go see your doctor & explain to him you've lost 2 relationships now due to low libido (obv I don't know this was the case.. but will prompt the doc to do a check). don't mention ped use.. play dumb. need bloods done to see wtf is actually going on

    get some Cialis or Viagra in the mean time
     
  7. JANIKvonD

    JANIKvonD JandirTheJandirHandler Top Contributor

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    Why you running this if you've never used PEDs?
     
  8. Proteinbrah

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    Seems overkill for 2 months of low dose test

    I’d run a bit of hcg, say 2000iu twice a week for 2/3 weeks now while the test is clearing, then get some bloods to see if balls have responded to it, if in range, drop hcg and let your pituitary kick in and do the rest

    Or run a low dose clomid and nolva after hcg, personally I can’t stand the sides from serms
     
  9. Archaic

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    I agree blood tests would be needed mate for anyone to give advice tbh, or it's just guess work. I'm just chipping in on what I'm going to be doing.

    The serms will not be responsive if your HPTA is shutdown tho.
     
  10. Archaic

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    I've been cycling or on TRT for the 7 past years.

    Have I said differently?
     
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  11. Mark1234

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    Thanks Noel.

    I was more suggesting Proviron from a libido perspective rather than fertility. But happy enough to leave it out for now, as you are probably right about throwing too many drugs at the problem.

    Will likely go with 1,000iu HCG EOD I think.

    Will look into Krill Oil and Phosphatidyl Serine.

    I actually went and got my bloods done today. So should have results back from Medichecks next week I assume. Never had bloods done before when on Test so interested to see how they look. Will post them to the thread when I get them back.
     
  12. Mark1234

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    Yeah it’s a crap situation. And I agree that part of it was probably mental rather than physical.

    Was single and off gear for 8 months during 2018. Looked back through my phone contacts and confirmed I slept with 5 girls during that time period (all between 1-4 times) and can only remember 1 instance of struggling to perform.

    Have been using cialis already throughout that time.

    Got bloods done today, should have them back next week and will post them to the thread.
     
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  13. Archaic

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    What is your goal mate, to recover your libido or your endogenous HPTA.

    If just libido, then I'd guess either Oestrogen or Prolactin will show elevated on the blood test. Are they testing for those?

    If it's elevated and you don't want to come off, just run an A.I., Caber if needed, and some Prov - along with Cialis.

    Also, every 10 days will not help things if you're doing TRT with Cyp, Enanthate, IMO. You might get away with it on Sustanon, but not the former two esters. The half life is way to short to support steady serum levels.
     
    Last edited: Apr 18, 2019
  14. Mark1234

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    Cheers mate. I think I have settled on doing 1,000iu HCG EOD so will work out at about 3,500iu per week for about 2 and a half weeks.

    Will run a bit of Clomid after that. And then will get bloods couple months down the line to see where I am.
     
  15. Mark1234

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    Goal is to recover HPTA and libido.

    I have never had a blood test while of Test so got the bloods done today out of interest. Always suspected I get high Estrogen on cycle as seem susceptible to water retention, so would be kinda interested to see the results.

    The bloods are testing all the usual stuff, Test, Estrogen, Prolactin etc.

    Is Sust a better choice for TRT style dosing? I always assumed it wasn’t due to the mix of short and long esters.
     

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