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Pct

Discussion in 'Anabolic Steroids & Prohormones' started by Highlandermb, Oct 3, 2019.

  1. flash

    flash Full Member

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    Hcg doesn’t fire anything up. It just mimics lh and fsh

    Once the hcg is gone your balls will be right where they were before the hcg

    Nolva and clomid activate stuff into firing back up again

    Pct is a fairly new thing. It wasn’t used back in the day

    Tell me, why don’t we use pct for things like t3 and hcg usage where we shut our natural production down?
     


  2. flash

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    I’m sure in the grand scheme of things going cold turkey for 2/3 months isn’t really gonna fuck anything up. If you cant keep training balls to walk off gear then we’ll we all know your priorities aren’t right

    Even if using prop you would have to be 3 weeks post last jab to be at 0 test levels anyway
     
  3. GhostOf2Can

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    I know what HCG does

    It gives your balls an artificial hit of LH and too a lesser degree FSH in the absence off the real signal whilst being shut down. And hopefully the serms can get your natural signal going eventually but Hcg is used to give them an artificial “jump start” if you haven’t been running it throughout your cycle (which I always do), hence the often large doses to give them a kick up the arse at the start of a power pct or something

    Dunno what the point of your post was quoting me at all tbh pal

    U don’t think I know what or how Hcg works after all this time? Fuck me come on Ash
     
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  4. flash

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    Haha I’m not calling you out dude but I thought you would bite


    For me in my opinion take all the nolva and clomid you like. It ain’t making no difference to natty levels coming back up in quick time. That will take months if not years


    If the OP is coming off for 3 months or whatever it is just have a rest from jabbing or cruise like the rest of us gear heads
     
  5. GhostOf2Can

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    Why isn’t it?

    If your take clomid it’s supposed to make your brain produce more LH (unless your shut down at the pit), I’ve personally had bloods done a couple of weeks in to pct and LH was very very high after only a couple of weeks on a scale of 1-7 or something and Test levels were over 30nmol

    Who knows how long it would have taken for the LH level to get to a decent enough level to signal your balls start producing testosterone without clomid

    Without clomid LH could be almost non existant after 6 months off, and therefore so is test. It does happen to people

    I rate clomid very very highly and have personal bloods to back up my reasons why

    Each to their own though isn’t it, but serms being not worth is wank is just your opinion too. There’s a reason they’ve been used as pct meds for your years mate
     
  6. Rbduk

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    To be honest I bet most people could get away with just clomid. As long as e2 is kept in check no need for nolva but of course hcg needs to be accounted for too if you’re kick starting pct with it.

    I wouldn’t take the turkey option personally. I’d either blast and trt (true trt) or cycle and pct with decent time off. Realistically though with cycle and pct you’re looking at 2 cycles a year of you really are conscious about recovery and health
     
  7. GhostOf2Can

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    I’ve only ever used clomid and Hcg as I’ve got to know what I’m doing

    Dropped the nolva as felt it added nothing

    I’ll I’m saying ITT overall is I see the benefit in getting your balls working every now and again rather than leaving them totally dormant for years at a time

    Strange analogy but I look at it like having a car sat on the drive for years. Leave it for 5 years the cunt ain’t gonna start. Take it out for a run every now and again or even just turn it over it’ll last longer overall and blow the cobwebs off

    Use it or lose it. U lot do what u want though I’m not gonna argue about it
     
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    Yea I ain’t saying there wank man. I’m just saying I think there best used when you are committed to staying off for a long time.

    However I do think there’s food for thought in what you said about getting your balls fired up and used to working again.

    For me though I don’t need my balls again haha. I got kids. Almost 40. Probably only got 30years left anyway.
     
  9. Richard Dick

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    Well when I say healthy I mean more to do with your fertility and recovery. You're right, a true trt dose isn't going to hurt much with things like cholesterol, rbc, prostate, calcification, the way a higher dose would, but I still reckon coming off completely is healthier.

    Also people worry about serms too much, my granny is on 20mg of nolva every day indefinitely and no-one is worried about any side effects. If it's not doing any harm to a 7 stone woman in her 80s it's probably not going to do much to a 16-18 stone, 20-40 year old man.
     
  10. Richard Dick

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    Car analogy is bang on. Pct isn't necessarily about getting your test levels back naturally for any huge length of time, you're just getting it back momentarily before jumping back on so you don't list the ability to recover completely.
     
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