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Sensible Precautions Whilst Using Aas

Im up in the air with it all tbh.

I give less of a fuck about the gear side than i ever have. Mainly down to switching to powerlifting and less concern on how i look and muscle.

Basically all of this year was done on test only, odd oral pre wo.

I used lower and lower doses as the year went on.

Havnt jabbed in 3 weeks now and probably won't till jan.

The health side never really bothered me, apart from now ive got kids. I can't help but feel selfish alot of the time..

That's not a knock on anyone but for me personally if i croak it next week due to gear, how will my wife explain to my daughters i didnt see them grow up cus i injected shit to lift extra weight?

As we all know though, its a hard path to leave once your on it as you base alot of your time and life around it, you enjoy it, ive done it 10 years pretty much.

Could always go natural.

But it's like going from driving a lambo for the last 8 years to walking it.

Far more healthy, but alot less fun.

Hmmmm.
 
doink said:
Most of it isn’t minimising anything though mate

Let’s take ‘cardio’.... Most lads do their ‘cardio’ by going for a walk. That’s it. Like I’ll go to the shop and walk for 15 mins there and back.

That’s most bodybuilders cardio, whereas for me I’ve just been shop. Are they really doing cardio? Are they fuck but they say it because it ‘sounds’ good. It looks good in the journal. It’s lazy as fuck and the excuses are abysmal “ YOUR BODY DOESNT KNOW AS LONG AS YOUR HR IS ABOVE 120 BPM “

Sorry lads but if your heart rate gets above 120 from walking you’re a fucking mess. You’re already in the shit.

Brb doing cardio as I use steroids. You should all be doing it anyway..... Normal people all nearly do it. That’s not a steroid danger thing, it’s just the normal thing to do to keep fit.

Makes me chuckle when I see it tbh.


The rest is just stuff people stay on forums to try and make themselves feel better about their drug abuse.

Bloods ain’t shit unless you have something pre steroids to compare it to. I’ve had countless since I went on gear. If a guy comes on here with high this or that and asks 9 out of ten board members says “ oh that’s fine just ignore it as xxxxx “

BP, boards a great example. You get a high reading and ask the board. They recommend hibiscus and celery. Most guys don’t bother taking it again, they’ll hit the supps for a few days and forget it. Plenty of examples on here of it.

There’s an irony in using ‘ostrich syndrome’ though Kenneth, my old chap.

All these little pointers aren’t minimising fuck all is basically my point here. The risk is based on dose and time on.

Minimising risk involved minimising dose or minimising time.

Id say pretending all this shit is doing something for your health to try and legitimise putting drugs in your body is a form of ostrich syndrome myself. Quite ironic.

Lettuce be honest, this shit is mostly people keeping up appearances on the forum to try and legitimise what you’re doing to yourself.

My view is if a man is that worried and concerned about risk stick to trt or go natty.

Otherwise get on with it and look after yourself like a NORMAL HUMAN BEING WOULD ANYWAY. If you feel rough go to the doctors, if you have an issue go to the doctors.

And finally never ask for advice on bodybuilding boards and 95% of bodybuilders are Amoebas who will just say add more drugs.

Committee approved.
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Lol i like it when lads take there dog for a walk round the block and say its cardio haha.

To me cardio for health is keeping heart 120-140 for 10-30 mins
 
huntingground said:
So what do you suggest? Do fook all? Just bang in 2g Test and 1g Tren a week. No thanks.
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I don't suggest mate...Each to their own ..blah blah blah...decisions and opinions. I take gear because I enjoy the results and benefits that suit me.
 
huntingground said:
So do we all but, as we are trying to construct a list of sensible precautions......
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Not ignoring you bud, off to work now...Yes, I agree that it is a good thing and hopefully positive that healthy and sensible precautions can be shared. I'm not 100% on certain supplements than can benefit though...? I'll just keep an eye on this log.
 
Whats the best liver support to use when using orals?

Is Liv52 and Milk Thistle still the go to?
 
When getting the medichecks tests. Which ones do you guys usually get ? I've had a look and their is a lot on the website.
 
Jr100 said:
When getting the medichecks tests. Which ones do you guys usually get ? I've had a look and their is a lot on the website.
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Essential endurance should be alright for basic liver kidney hormone cholesterol etc and it’s only 55 Notes
 
All fantastic suggestions.
I will make my list for those of you and there are many of you that wont do blood work frequently if at all.
No point saying "you effing idiot" as that doesn't help them tbh.
I personally don't get blood done and haven't in years.
Is that awesome? No not at all. I have some indirect check ups (EKG and all of that as I have had two surgeries in the past year) but besides that I don't.
Why? I just don't see the point currently as I don't use a ton of stuff and I already know what is and what is not healthy with what I do (the activity I do each day is good, the stims and occasional spit tobacco I use are BAD. I don't see the 300 test and 20mg dbol I currently take as a worry compared to those).

So here we go.....

Blood pressure taken once when you wake up, once after you train, once before bed. Do this every week if you're pushing your body. Every month if you're always staying about the same.
If it's high; reduce the stressors (stims, orals, water retention), add in hibiscus tea if its mild (do check to make sure it pulls you down as nothing works for everyone), if it stays high get an ace inhibitor and start at 5mg per day as a general rule.

Monitor your blood glucose levels every couple of weeks. Take it when you wake up and then a couple times during the day. Also compare the fasting result after a bad day of eating the day prior compared to a good day.
If its elevated then do a period of low carb dieting or even a true keto diet. Once its down nice and low slowly increase carbs again while monitoring. If its still high then go and see a doctor.
Rarely do people talk about blood sugar levels but it is KEY to longevity and MANY bbers have high levels without realizing......MANY!!!
If its high due to gh use be that synthetic or an analog such as MK677. Either pull the compound out or add in insulin. I truly believe that if you're going to use GH above a hrt level you probably should take some insulin.
There are supplements you can take but I prefer the diet and fix approach over adding more stuff in.

Hemoglobin/HCT checked every week if on a cycle or just once per month if its not normally high and you're not doing any thing to make it high.
If its borderline high then go and donate blood.
If its extremely high then donate blood a few times. This may require a doctors script unless you have 2 plus independent blood banks you can visit which wont look at the other banks donation records.
I would NOT go the route of trying to take grapefruit or other supplements to pull it down. Just donate blood and it will come down for sure.

Resting heart rate, this can be taken daily.
It will show you if you're over reaching with training, stressed about life, pushing too hard with food/drugs.
If its over 84 (general cut off point agreed by many doctors to not be good any more) then reduce it by pulling out stims, lowering drugs, lowering food.
I would not just add in high intensity cardio off the bat.
Your body is already stressed out you will do nothing but kick the shit out of your self if you do that (I did and got AFIB from my efforts, high levels of stress from surgeries and weight gain, I added in extremely hard cardio and knocked my self out or normal sync that day!).
But once your reduce the stressors and the level falls then add in the hard cardio.
In the mean time walk a lot, sleep a lot, reduce water bloating.


^^^^^^ This is not the best suggestion. The best suggestion is to get all the different tests done as mentioned throughout this thread. HOWEVER, if you're reading this and thinking "fuck I am never going to do those things" instead of just sticking your head into the ground go and buy; A large blood pressure cuff and reader I favor manual ones over machines, a blood glucose meter, a hemoglobin meter and a heart rate monitor (or just do it manually, a heart rate monitor you were all day does show interesting things like sudden spikes and then you can work out why that is) all can be found on Amazon (at least the American Amazon but I am sure you can still obtain them). A little prevention is better than none at all and I know how many of you guys are. Its either do all the precautions or none of them. These are cheap, can be done at home and will show a ton of useful info.

Extra suggestion: Get protein testing strips. Test your urine a few times over the course of a week. Especially if you tend to have a lot of foamy urine which can point to protein in the urine. Keep in mind you will see trace to low levels after a very hard workout. But overall you shouldn't be getting more than trace on your urine strips. If you have higher levels and/or blood in the urine. Then its time to go get checked out. This is IMO the best kidney marker because creatinine and BUN will be skewed slightly for all muscular humans. Some more so than others (example: My levels have always been a bit high for creatinine with a reading of 1.3-6 every time I have had blood work for 12 years and the normal cut off is normally 1.27. I talk to many bbers who have this too. A regular GP will freak out. You will spend time and money going to a kidney specialist only to usually find out its normal). With the urine protein testing you can quickly see if your proteins are not coping correctly. It is a myth that eating high protein means that you should get high levels of protein in the urine. A health kidney will not just pass a load of protein into the urine just because you eat 300 grams protein. If you do this method and you end up having some trace to low levels then take 3 days off training and test again. If its still elevated then yes go get checked out by a kidney specialist!
 
@Con Can you dive further into the insulin part? Especially while using GH. What doses, how often and what timings etc to take
 
Getbig25 said:
@Con Can you dive further into the insulin part? Especially while using GH. What doses, how often and what timings etc to take
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So for most people (if they would check it) they will start getting higher fasted blood sugar readings when on a moderate amount of gh.
I cant give a number as it varies but for many above 2iu and you can encounter some insulin resistance.
It's at that point that using insulin be it rapid with higher carb meals or even a long acting insulin such as lantus shot once per day because useful.
Insulin doesn't work on a reverse feedback loop meaning you're going to give your beta cells a break if you take it.....not that you become diabetic via insulin use.
NOTE: There are acute risks with insulin. Monitoring blood sugar is key. But if one were to use higher doses of gh and one started had blood sugar readings fasted above the acceptable range. Then it can be helpful both from a growth and a health point of view to include insulin. This is why you will hear people say you need insulin if you use gh. Yes they are synergistic but if your blood sugar is way high you wont be as anabolic. I am primarily speaking about in a caloric surplus when blood sugar tends to rise already. I wouldn't add in insulin while dieting unless you really know what you're doing.

Doses, well how long is a piece of string lol.
I cant give exact numbers as it will vary from person to person, protocol to protocol.
You could use small amounts with your carb meals, or if you use the carb timing approach around training. Then insulin prior training and finally post training to help shuttle the large amount of carbs will be nearly essential IMO.
I will say in cases where you're using insulin then with other carb meals you could use a glucose disposal agent such as R-ALA just keep in mind that can make you go hypo so although its a supplement it can stick mess you up!

It's really a case of monitoring BG levels continuously.
Is the AM fasting going up?
If you take 4iu with your 50 carb meal, where are your levels 30-60 minutes after the shot, where are they at the 2.5 hour mark as your approach your next meal.

Small amounts of lantus such as 10iu before bed can be a good way to ensure normal BG readings in the morning if you're running a little high.
I have done this with a lot of guys that have higher levels.
But don't just shoot it without checking first. Just because it was high yesterday and you benefitted does not mean you're going to be low tonight and you don't want to drop your levels too low.
Even though that's hard to do with long acting. I even have guys on true keto using 10iu lantus before bed but these are guys whos fasted levels are at 120 (70-100 is normal) while just eating normally.
 
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