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Test Prop & Tren Ace

Discussion in 'Anabolic Steroids & Prohormones' started by lucaslfc, Apr 4, 2018.

  1. lucaslfc

    lucaslfc Full Member

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    Howdy Folks :)

    after some advice regarding a cycle i am on, will give much info as needed seen a lot people get flamed fast so go easy on me lol

    have been gyming it for last 10years on and off.

    Age - 33

    Height - 6’2

    Weight - 95kg

    Bf- 16%/17%

    so have used steroids few times in the past, 1st one was many years ago just a little test E course, then then did another test prop course with anavar, and then had little play with tren and test about 3years ago but never got even half way through and had to stop due to unforeseen circumstances.

    any way heads been in great place gym and diet been solid for while so figured go on then why not.

    so i have test prop & Tren ace, the aim aint to bulk more of assist on cut up for the summer, dropping calories by about 500 below maintenance, clean diet, upped cardio

    I hit gym 6days a week, morning treadmill fasted cardio 25min at least 4days week

    course is as follows

    Test prop - 50mg EOD

    Tren Ace - 100mg EOD

    Caber - 0.5mg every 3/4days

    Aromasin - 12.5mg every 3days

    also have to hand if ever required, adex, letro, nolva, clomid. have HCG also but have never used it before so any advice would be welcome on it. heard alot of different opinions on timing when to use it, .

    Daily Supplements

    Omega 3
    BCAA/HMB
    Hawthorn berry caps
    Glucosamine
    multi vit
    Lcarntine
    Taurine
    water, water and then some more water

    PCT
    Opinions Welcome.
    3days after last pin

    Clomid 100/50/50
    Nolva 40/20/20/20

    now am 8days into this course.been pinning eod, glutes, delts quads aim to rotate through out

    1st week i had bit test flu like symptoms early 2days or so but just rode it out, then all was great.

    been feeling great so far apart from getting little hot in sleep little bit sweaty. strength is creeping up in gym

    now here’s my issue.. 3days ago i noticed bit of discomfort from my left nipple, doesn’t look puffy no lumps or bumps actually sticking out not itchy either just dull ache pain here an there behind nipple and tiny tender. Feels different to the other nipple as I can feel slight hard tiny disc shape behind nipple when pushed in kind of white ring look around nipple which never really noticed before.

    now this is new to me as i have never had this before as am not usually gyno prone, never had a worry on previous cycles.

    also made bit of a noob mistake of not starting my caber or aromasin till day after my 2nd jab, so 3/4days after the 1st, ano ano not good (take cover)

    have ordered private bloodwork kit as I am aware how important this is when on cycle and will have that any day now, results are fast turn around to.

    Will taking the aromasin 25mg ed help or would this be over kill? (or would swapping to adex 0.5mg EOD be better option) or should i go for nolva 10mg ed till cycle finished. I have Read alot similar situations were nolva has helped people on similar course with in similar situation despite the other theory of you should never use it while on a nor19, so much conflicting information out there hence me deciding to ask you good folks.

    Now I was in panic mode yesterday took 25mg Aromasin and nipple today feels little less painful an tender today, now with aromasin being a suicide I don’t wana go over kill with it and wipe out all my E2, apart of me is thinking that my stupidness in delaying using the AI by 4days may have caused bit of E2 buildup

    If you read this far then thank you for taking the time to read though

    any advice on the above or criticism lol would be appreciated. really dont wana stop this cycle already or have to drop the tren.


    Thanks
     
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  2. Reacher

    Reacher Top Contributor

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    it does sound like gyno with the disc like lump, if it wasn't for that is say you were being overly cautious with pct etc but that says more about me being less careful lol..
    Adex has been useful for me when I've had similar.
     
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  3. lucaslfc

    lucaslfc Full Member

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    thanks for reply fella, was shocked to feel it tbh as never had it before, yea maybe but i do like to try play safe when i mess with these naughty sauces lol.

    what would you recommend a course of action would be giving the situation an info above?
     
  4. G-G

    G-G Ex Competitor

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    Gyno? With caber and aromasin in? Id question the legitimacy of those perhaps?

    Maybe try the Adex instead.
     
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  5. lucaslfc

    lucaslfc Full Member

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    the caber is pfizer so should be good, aromasin on other hand is dimension labs, as is the tren an prop.. everything else i have to hand is pharma grade
     
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  6. Reacher

    Reacher Top Contributor

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    I'm not up to speed enough on such things mate to be honest.
    Adex was useful to me and that' as far as my own experience goes really. As G-G says above I'd of thought you' have things covered really. So I'll leave any further suggestion to guys who are better qualified to say.
     
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  7. pooley1810

    pooley1810 Top Contributor

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    I’m not 100% sure in this but I’ll give my thoughts, maybe someone will correct me
    Try dropping the tren and see what happens
    You’re using less test than some people get prescribed as trt so I’d say if it is gyno it’s caused by the tren
    I’d also say that your AI is prob no good as if you had your e under control with an AI you shouldn’t get tren induced gyno.
    If you’ve started the caber too late then it may not be effective
     
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  8. lucaslfc

    lucaslfc Full Member

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    no probs mate appreciate any input i get

    hey pooley, thanks for taking a look. aye mate agreed on the trt dose mate, seems strange tbh considering am keepin test lower, blood work test kit should be here tomorrow so would you recommend keep the aromasin at 25mg a day till can these results back then i should be in better position when i can see what my levels are at, proclac, E2, etc.

    also whats your thoughts on nolva during cycle with test & tren?
     
  9. pooley1810

    pooley1810 Top Contributor

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    I’d keep things the same for your test, that way
    You’ll know what’s wrong and hopefully put it right
    Only ran nolva towards the end of my prep last year. Purely to dry out, was feeling pretty shitty anyway with all the other stuff going on so can’t really comment on how I felt from it
     
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  10. lucaslfc

    lucaslfc Full Member

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    thinking run the nolva 20 or 10mg a day for now as precaution, sent some blood off today so maybe you could have scan over results for us when get them back mate?
     
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  11. lucaslfc

    lucaslfc Full Member

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    Got these results back mate,it would seem the caber is doing the job.
    And maybe the aromasin not so much?

    What you think?
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  12. doink

    doink PhD in Bro Science Top Contributor

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    Oestrogen defo high.

    Would say your aromasin is almost defo a pile of shit with levels like that. Not a chance that’s aromasin.

    Get yourself some pharma adex and run it at 1mg twice a week.

    Nolva won’t do jack shit to lower oestrogen. It just stops it binding to receptors. It’s useless in this scenario but it should stop the gyno getting worse. You need to bring those levels down with adex though.
     
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    swinka morska Full Member

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    what brand aromasin/nolva you using?
     
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  14. lucaslfc

    lucaslfc Full Member

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    Its on the aromasin an the gear that aint pharma. They dimension labs.

    I do have have some pharma adex there though.
    Would 0.5mg adex eod do? Or you reckon 1mg week is plenty?

    Thanks for info bro

    Nolva is pharma grade. The aromasin dimensions of due to source being out at time of purchase, Ican grab pharma though tho possibly.
     
  15. Hilly

    Hilly Nutritionist and Sports Therapist Moderator

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    0.5mg daily didn’t bring mine down with a free test level close to his.

    I’m going to 1mg daily
     
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