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Gear and DOMS/soreness

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I realise this is a really stupid post, and it's pretty obvious as to why it's happening, but does anyone else notice that certain drugs pretty much eliminate any DOMS or pain in the muscle?


I've started my competition prep so have started "competition drugs" such as equipoise, tren ace and primo and despite consuming lower calories, I don't seems to get DOMS at all.


Usually after quads I'm walking like I'm pissed for a day or two after, since starting these I'm pushing harder and heavier and I'm fine.


This is the first time I've really noticed it, perhaps because I'm more OCD than I ever have been.


It could possibly be due to my diet being 95% spot on though in fairness.


Anyone ever noticed the same with certain steroids?
 
I notice this too, i am 6 weeks into my course after a twoish year layoff. Prior to the course i would get regular doms especially after chest and legs. Now i get none, makes you question your work ethic at times but i am busting my gut every session.
 
What I did notice is when I was using the most gear I have used (not loads compared to most but high), DOMS were less severe and lasted half the time.


Also ive noticed for me personally calories are more important for reducing DOMS than just protein intake, eg if protein was high but cals were lower id be more sore than if cals were higher but protein was lower!
 
Eq used to be my staple and high doses too. Always noticed I could train harder/longer and not really feel too much the next day

Miss it lol
 
Spukey said:
I notice this too, i am 6 weeks into my course after a twoish year layoff. Prior to the course i would get regular doms especially after chest and legs. Now i get none, makes you question your work ethic at times but i am busting my gut every session.
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That's my thinking too - are you working hard enough etc? But then again, only the muscle gets stronger, the joints and ligaments don't (afaik)

tomlet1 said:
What I did notice is when I was using the most gear I have used (not loads compared to most but high), DOMS were less severe and lasted half the time.


Also ive noticed for me personally calories are more important for reducing DOMS than just protein intake, eg if protein was high but cals were lower id be more sore than if cals were higher but protein was lower!
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Any particular steroids mate?

The Love Machine said:
Eq used to be my staple and high doses too. Always noticed I could train harder/longer and not really feel too much the next day


Miss it lol
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What was typical doses for you mate?
 
@wrapper it was test and deca defo, but there may have been dbol in there too lol


I was eating loads aswell though tbf, and was amazed how quick DOMS went, even after I really felt like I trained hard id be pretty sore then the next day gone.
 
Used to yeah but I've been dieting a while now and it's catching up to me, noticed doms the last couple of weeks and my limbs feel heavy. Specially legs.


I think once you hit a point with weights and cardio vs calories and gear then recovery is always going to slowly become an issue. I favour high volume as well which doesn't help. I'm just not recovering between sessions anymore now... Still sore from last push session on Tuesday and due to go again later... Then cardio.


Maybe I just need to up the dose?
 
Rentaghost said:
Used to yeah but I've been dieting a while now and it's catching up to me, noticed doms the last couple of weeks and my limbs feel heavy. Specially legs.


I think once you hit a point with weights and cardio vs calories and gear then recovery is always going to slowly become an issue. I favour high volume as well which doesn't help. I'm just not recovering between sessions anymore now... Still sore from last push session on Tuesday and due to go again later... Then cardio.

Maybe I just need to up the dose?
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^^ Brah - you know this
 
DOMS are related to inflammation.  

Some AAS have greater anti-inflammatory effects (deca, primo, anavar..etc.) + just about every compound will have an effect on red blood cell production (EQ in particular)..etc. which in turn means more blood and thus more nutrients being delivered to those cells which have been broken down/damaged from the weights....but I'd say the key ingredient is sleep & food + the style of training you do.

I definitely notice find I get a lot worse DOMS if I don't get enough sleep and often, I actually sleep better (in terms of quality) when I'm on lower calories as I'm generally more tired, lol.  

@tomlet1

I've noticed exactly the same thing mate - if my calories are low, I get pretty bad DOMS even if my protein intake is high (intra-workout BCAA/peptopro doesn't even help).  

I find that carbohydrates and fats in particular make a huge difference in reducing DOMS - but I suppose that makes sense when you consider that you still need a certain amount of energy/calories to nit together those amino acids to repair the muscle you've broken down.  So just eating protein without much of an energy surplus means that it's going to take longer to repair that muscle as all your energy goes into just repairing the muscle back to it's original state (you don't get the overcompensation/growth).
 
Gator said:
DOMS are related to inflammation.  

Some AAS have greater anti-inflammatory effects (deca, primo, anavar..etc.) + just about every compound will have an effect on red blood cell production (EQ in particular)..etc. which in turn means more blood and thus more nutrients being delivered to those cells which have been broken down/damaged from the weights....but I'd say the key ingredient is sleep & food + the style of training you do.

I definitely notice find I get a lot worse DOMS if I don't get enough sleep and often, I actually sleep better (in terms of quality) when I'm on lower calories as I'm generally more tired, lol.  

@tomlet1

I've noticed exactly the same thing mate - if my calories are low, I get pretty bad DOMS even if my protein intake is high (intra-workout BCAA/peptopro doesn't even help).  

I find that carbohydrates and fats in particular make a huge difference in reducing DOMS - but I suppose that makes sense when you consider that you still need a certain amount of energy/calories to nit together those amino acids to repair the muscle you've broken down.  So just eating protein without much of an energy surplus means that it's going to take longer to repair that muscle as all your energy goes into just repairing the muscle back to it's original state (you don't get the overcompensation/growth).
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Top quality as always mate!

Makes complete sense
 
@Gator


Ah so its not just me! Its another thing thats making me think protein doesnt need to be as high as made out by alot of people :)
 
tomlet1 said:
@Gator


Ah so its not just me! Its another thing thats making me think protein doesnt need to be as high as made out by alot of people :)
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I agree mate....there is definitely an obsession with protein IMO (I've been there myself).  It's obviously important, but at some point you need more energy nutrients (carbs/fat) to actually piece together those amino acids into building blocks.  It's like having the bricks but no builders to actually construct anything.
 
My protein intake has always been lower than whats touted as the required amount.

Its never been detrimental to me or my gains.
 
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