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... but neither did they say they would increase NI contributions and they just have done LOL
 
Was media stirring up the pot with an "unnamed" source saying 2 week firebreak. So lets hope it was just hot air.

They can't lockdown, furlough or even think of ever doing anything like that again financially would be terrible.

Its normally usual suspects start trying put pressure on gov to restrict / lockdown / vaccinate kids, so I fully expect more noise and nonsense in media / social in coming weeks at half term and towards Xmas.
 
dirtyvest said:
... but neither did they say they would increase NI contributions and they just have done LOL
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Unfortunately, shit has to be paid for, so anyone pushing for lockdowns / furlough can do one. lol

3 lockdowns to "save the nhs" 3 lockdowns which crippled GDP and economy, now a NI hike to again fund a money pit that needs a massive reform.

This isn't an attack on the NHS, but it doesn't matter what its gets funded, the wastage is insane.
 
danny187 said:
Unfortunately, shit has to be paid for, so anyone pushing for lockdowns / furlough can do one. lol

3 lockdowns to "save the nhs" 3 lockdowns which crippled GDP and economy, now a NI hike to again fund a money pit that needs a massive reform.

This isn't an attack on the NHS, but it doesn't matter what its gets funded, the wastage is insane.
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Bingo!

If an independent accountant looked over the NHS books they'll be gob smacked of what they spend and waste. Overpriced contracts and medicines etc. Too many chiefs and not enough indians. Too many people on the NHS gravy train.

Take the increase in NI, the money from that will do nothing. It'll be used to cover staff wage increases and get lost elsewhere.

Biggest issue with the NHS is the board of directors, which are mostly made up of doctors and/or professors, people who are experts in their fields, but have absolutely zero skills in running a multi-billion pound organisation!

The NHS should be ran like a FTSE 100 company by people with a wealth of business experience. Let the doctors and professors treat the patients and others run the NHS like a company.

Shit, bring in Alan Sugar lol

Perfect example of how shite the NHS are at running things is my missus had treatment for her knees. In Nottingham we have Queens Hospital and next door is a new hospital called The Circle. The Circle was privately run using NHS staff and everytime me and the missus went it was a faultless experience. Appointments were on time, treatment was brilliant, communications etc, all excellent. Then the private companies contract ran out and the NHS decided not to renew. Within a month it was chaos! We were sent to the wrong wards, then wards didnt have the right paperwork, appointments were late. The place fell apart! Thats how shit the NHS directors are!

I do think the NHS should possibly be privatised in some form, it would become far more efficient.
 
Clubber Lang said:
Bingo!

If an independent accountant looked over the NHS books they'll be gob smacked of what they spend and waste. Overpriced contracts and medicines etc. Too many chiefs and not enough indians. Too many people on the NHS gravy train.

Take the increase in NI, the money from that will do nothing. It'll be used to cover staff wage increases and get lost elsewhere.

Biggest issue with the NHS is the board of directors, which are mostly made up of doctors and/or professors, people who are experts in their fields, but have absolutely zero skills in running a multi-billion pound organisation!

The NHS should be ran like a FTSE 100 company by people with a wealth of business experience. Let the doctors and professors treat the patients and others run the NHS like a company.

Shit, bring in Alan Sugar lol

Perfect example of how shite the NHS are at running things is my missus had treatment for her knees. In Nottingham we have Queens Hospital and next door is a new hospital called The Circle. The Circle was privately run using NHS staff and everytime me and the missus went it was a faultless experience. Appointments were on time, treatment was brilliant, communications etc, all excellent. Then the private companies contract ran out and the NHS decided not to renew. Within a month it was chaos! We were sent to the wrong wards, then wards didnt have the right paperwork, appointments were late. The place fell apart! Thats how shit the NHS directors are!

I do think the NHS should possibly be privatised in some form, it would become far more efficient.
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You Tory wanker lol
 
Clubber Lang said:
Bingo!

If an independent accountant looked over the NHS books they'll be gob smacked of what they spend and waste. Overpriced contracts and medicines etc. Too many chiefs and not enough indians. Too many people on the NHS gravy train.

Take the increase in NI, the money from that will do nothing. It'll be used to cover staff wage increases and get lost elsewhere.

Biggest issue with the NHS is the board of directors, which are mostly made up of doctors and/or professors, people who are experts in their fields, but have absolutely zero skills in running a multi-billion pound organisation!

The NHS should be ran like a FTSE 100 company by people with a wealth of business experience. Let the doctors and professors treat the patients and others run the NHS like a company.

Shit, bring in Alan Sugar lol

Perfect example of how shite the NHS are at running things is my missus had treatment for her knees. In Nottingham we have Queens Hospital and next door is a new hospital called The Circle. The Circle was privately run using NHS staff and everytime me and the missus went it was a faultless experience. Appointments were on time, treatment was brilliant, communications etc, all excellent. Then the private companies contract ran out and the NHS decided not to renew. Within a month it was chaos! We were sent to the wrong wards, then wards didnt have the right paperwork, appointments were late. The place fell apart! Thats how shit the NHS directors are!

I do think the NHS should possibly be privatised in some form, it would become far more efficient.
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Yes.

Part public / Part private funded via tiers of insurance is an idea to ponder. Although I don't think this government cabinet is the ones to do the reform.

Basics stay free i.e GP appt, general bloods, screenings for certain stuff etc, but rest require a nominal fee. (just an example)

Bit like the French health care, which I believe was ranked number 1.

Problem is any discussion with NHS is done via emotion and not logic and it's a political tool, so reform will never happen.

Also people also seem to think only two ways

UK way i.e NHS (there is a reason nobody has copied this model lol)
USA way where they be swiping that credit card while dieing in an ambulance lol

Surely plenty of ways to look at and try make it more efficient with less waste, starting with removing £70k a year "diversity champions"

Or if stays public funded only, then cut out a lot of the middle management and spend more on front line services and systems to make stuff faster and swift, with the option to pay a small fee for self referrals to certain departments rather than have 5 appts before even discussion of a referral.

Just thinking out loud really, could be well off the mark, but genuinely it does need some sort of change for the longevity of actual speedy good care as it varies per trust and per section.
 
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Yeah cases are going crazy here after summer staycations. Let's go to the Highlands, fuck off home and leave them with it all
Genie is well and truly out of the bottle now. Too late for a lockdown. Think they've just decided to let it go due to vaccine. My step sister and family in her house all have it now. Fun times.
 
spearman said:
You Tory wanker lol
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lol

From experience i just think the best option is the NHS being ran by successful management companies/people, rather than Doctors and Professors who are experts at their fields of medicine, but clueless about business. The management structure is killing the NHS. You could throw billions and billions at the NHS and nothing will improve without people knowing how to run a multi-billion pound organisation.

Im fully against private health insurance like in the US, thats just terrible, millions dying and suffering due to it. But i'll be happy paying NI with a health service that is efficient, even if its a private firm running the NHS.
 
spearman said:
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Just a way to get digital ID....never thought about that being the end goal!
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Let’s not forget those ANPR’s that have started popping up all over recently, supposedly originally for road tax dodgers, they’ve already shown they can be “upgraded” to perform more than just that, charging people by the mile etc is just the tip of the ice berg as is the ‘clean air’ thing, it’s getting like ‘1984’, and we’ll just roll over and let them tickle our bellies when we should be taking to the streets and pulling the fuckers down with grappling irons!
 
Dirty Harry said:
Let’s not forget those ANPR’s that have started popping up all over recently, supposedly originally for road tax dodgers, they’ve already shown they can be “upgraded” to perform more than just that, charging people by the mile etc is just the tip of the ice berg as is the ‘clean air’ thing, it’s getting like ‘1984’, and we’ll just roll over and let them tickle our bellies when we should be taking to the streets and pulling the fuckers down with grappling irons!
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Totally agree with you matey. The rate of intrusive spyware technology combined with Covid rules and regulations that's being enforced and rolled out again at the minute is unbelieveable! It's like the general public are walking about with their head in the clouds.
Give the government an inch and they'll take a mile (1984). Not having another weird isolated lockdown style Christmas and New Year...
One captain, one ship.
 
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