Political, Economic And Current Affairs Discussion Thread

Discussion in 'General Chat' started by Arterial Dan, Jan 21, 2021.

  1. Dirty Harry

    Dirty Harry Moderator Staff Member

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    No didn't see that mate, but seen the French taking to the streets a few times in protest and actually getting things turned around, here, most people will be happy as long as it doesn't affect their Sky, Play station, mobile etc, sad really.
     
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  2. RAD

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    Russia,Italy,France,Spain,Germany to name a few are all out protesting and getting things done ,a protest in Spain had the police in with the protestors shouting freedom even the cops have had enough.UK doesn't seem to have anything going on or is that it's just not being covered by the news?.

    Looks like Boris and the boys have found another new strain and this one's even deadlier.........Aw fcuk off lol.
     
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  3. Dirty Harry

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    Not too much if any mate, maybe in the run up to the election, but there probably is, problem is that wankers see it as the perfect excuse to loot and rob and use it as cover to start shit and commit crime so any message gets pushed to the back.
     
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  4. Ronnie_Malenko

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    Been protests in liverpool mate not loads of people like say 300 a time
     
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  5. Arterial Dan

    Arterial Dan Administrator Staff Member

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    Interesting article from George Osborne predicting the break up of the UK
    Scotland doesn't really need another referendum on Independence anyway.
    All they need is Scotland having a referendum on re-joining the EU.
    Different method, same outcome.

    If Scotland vote in favour of that and Westminster cannot facilitate it, then we have a serious political crisis on our hands …the precedent was already set with Northern Ireland - which will not face non-tariff barriers as it will effectively remain within the EU's single market for goods. Thus it cannot be denied to Scotland.
    They will simply claim it's undemocratic and indefensible for Scotland's democratic mandate to be ignored and for them to effectively be kept prisoner (in a failing country). It's probably also illegal.
    How would the world react to that?
    We wouldn't have a leg to stand on, as far as Crimea is concerned.

    Alternatively, Scotland and Wales might advocate for staying, but only on the condition of UK re-entry to the EU.
    No matter how Boris tries to play this one, he's in checkmate.
    George Osborne already admitted the same and said he will be remembered as the worst PM in British history - the one who broke the Union.

    Osborne in fact advocated for simply denying Scotland any form of referendum at all.
    In the famous words of JFK:
    I suspect he actually did that to increase the pressure on Boris - as Cameron and himself famously detest Boris, and vice versa.


    Everyone in Europe looked on helplessly when the Tories pulled us out of EU, but they're positively aghast at the Tories tearing up of the Human Rights Bill and wrecking the Council of Europe.
    Has anyone thought about how the world will react when the Tories start executing their plan to deport hundreds of thousands of people? lol!
    We are slowly sliding into the lunatic fringe with Turkey, Hungary and Poland.


    Compared to a few years ago - the Scottish now have an array of genuinely tangible and highly emotive economic consequences to contrast against staying in the Union.

    My prediction is that Scotland will leave. They'll drop their Corporate Tax Rate, hoover up Foreign Direct Investment and Northern England will suffer the brunt of the economic fallout as business will flee over the border (and from London, no doubt).
     
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  6. Arterial Dan

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    I think they'll get it mate, one way or another:

    Sturgeon vows to hold ‘legal’ second independence vote in Scotland
    https://www.ft.com/content/93402eaf-9f48-43f7-bf59-981b8273d2e6#comments-anchor

    There are no real rules around joining the EU in respect of debt - only the EMU.
    If there were, we would have been booted out anyway, given our debt has gone over 110% of GDP (with a volatile pound).
    The 60% figure is the reference range, but Greece, Italy and Portugal have 176%, 134.8% and 117.7% respectively.

    Spain are unlikely to veto Scotland joining - they have a new agreement with Gibraltar in light of Brexit, much like NI have, and a UK breakup will likely hasten the return of La Linea to Spain.

    It looks like Brexit is truly changing the political landscape:
    The Middle-class population is growing and other parties are doing better, including Alliance and SDLP.
    If they vote to leave the UK, and the Republic votes to reunify, the Irish state will technically cease to exist and a new federal-state will be born.
    Practically speaking, it will be the death knell of the DUP and Sinn Fein - which would be a relief for many in both islands.

    Here is George Osborne on the same

    Yea, I agree there mate.

    The Tories are pressing ahead with a whole host of contractionary measures - the exact worst thing they can do at the current moment in time for the economy. Some of the things Rishi Sunak has been suggesting are very concerning.

    And as it stands, they can basically borrow money interest-free at the moment, so it's made even less sense.
     
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  7. Arterial Dan

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    Spot on mate.

    @Ronnie_Malenko
    When Ireland crashed 10 years ago, it was much worse than everyone predicted.
    But it finally gave me the opportunity to buy a house - which was impossible before then.
     
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  8. Ronnie_Malenko

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    Its All we can do in these times isnt it mate i literally just enjoy each day best i can and dont think of the future..
     
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  9. RAD

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    That's the problem a riot would play straight into their hands people need to follow what others have done peaceful protests and businesses opening back up in defiance to sit and do nothing will just make them do more shite imo.But there is talk of businesses opening back up at the end of the month let's hope it comes to fruition.

    It's a good start at least it shows that people are not just rolling over, hopefully this number will grow as the govt keep piling on the pressure... something's got to give
     
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  10. Dirty Harry

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    Many round here have already stuck two fingers up RAD, you can see their point when they're closed down, but the 'party balloon shop' can stay open lol.
     
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  11. Arterial Dan

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    Never known anything quite like this in my lifetime - just last week Theresa May spoke out against Boris.
    This week it's Gordon Brown.
    John Major, Cameron and Blair have all spoken out already.
    All totally unprecedented.

    The SNP have published their roadmap to referendum.
    https://mcusercontent.com/4fae14f57...-91aa-0ea911c369e9/Roadmap_to_Referendum_.pdf

    The breakup of the UK will be the worst geopolitical catastrophe of the 21st century.
    Disaster for Europe and US, Disaster for NATO, and disaster for the UN - and a huge gain for Russia and China.

    Boris is clueless as ever.
    I'm amazed that he has been allowed to continue this long - highest per-capita daily death toll of any other country in the world, worst economic contraction

    Why haven't the Tories used 1922 to boot him out?
     
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  12. RAD

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    Balloon shop LOL Although balloons are a essential item to be fair :) I was in a diy shop over here and they had red tape around the BBQs and garden chairs I asked the lad who works there "what's that all about?" He said "we can't sell them at the minute as they aren't essential" but then said "if you need a BBQ or chairs go over to Agriloja as they are selling them because they don't give a shit" I just laughed.

    I see it's kicking off in Israel and Holland the Holland lot set fire to a covid testing station and were disbursed with a water cannon like I said I don't think riots is the way forward but I can fully understand that people are well fcuked off with it all.
     
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  13. Dirty Harry

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    Why would anyone of sound mind torch a testing station ffs, sounds like what I mentioned earlier mate, shitbags and looters is my guess (shitbags is an all encompassing term btw lol).

    Funny you should say about the taping off of areas for non-essential items, was in the local decorating shop yesterday and he mentioned that one guy they shut his shop down for his stock being non-essential yet he sold most things on offer at B and Q !
     
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  14. Dirty Harry

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    Glad you've said that Dan, Johnson's been very smart from the off here in convincing the general public he "gets them" and is "one of us", but he just has a posh voice, popular he may be but to run a country ? Nah, he was just a watered down British version of Trump for me, winging it to the extreme.
     
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    I thought the Dutch would be more chilled. Why kick off over a curfew when everything's shut anyway? What have you been stopped from doing that was so important...?

    If we keep get illegal raves here there'll be a curfew too
     
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