We are all going to die

Discussion in 'General Chat' started by Arterial Dan, Jul 5, 2013.

  1. Arterial Dan

    Arterial Dan Administrator Staff Member

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    It has made me think for sure, but I had a few health concerns myself recently and I don't have congenital issues or hereditary issues in my family history and have never used reccys & drink maybe once per year.

    I guess I've had warning signs so I'm more receptive now.

    Previously, it would have been 'other people', if you get me.

    It's always "other people" on bodybuilding forums... Maybe Powerhouse was a very heavy AAS user but maybe he was just unlucky to get prostate cancer etc. 

    I've never been a very heavy AAS user, but I have used continuously, so in that sense, I've gone full retard and ignored all the 'best practise' shit we learn starting out.

    I spent plenty of years talking up steroids and downplaying their health effects, because that is what I believed at the time and that is what we have all convinced ourselves of on bodybuilding forums, and we all reinforce each other,  but with this shit going on right now - I just can't ignore it anymore & I think I've heard so many excuses that they are all meaningless by now.

    We're not getting the full picture.

    Part of the problem with bodybuilding forums too is that they're full of young guys hammering gear and feeling fine, but the side effects don't usually show up until 10 years later, by which time they're no longer even a member of a forum, so we're hearing about the high, but not hearing about the low

    Same goes for the professionals, a lot of them will downplay or hide their health problems for various reasons, legal, health insurance, embarrassment etc..

    It just seems delusional at this stage and I'm no longer willing to delude myself.
     
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  2. Pip

    Pip Elite Member

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    Exactly what I have been hammering home of recent in PED threads because I am no longer in my twenties but mid thirties with about 18yrs experience, 15 of which is using PEDS.

    I came from the golden age before the internet and the advent of the internet

    This was where info was hard to come by and also guarded closely.

    It was available to the few and you cherished it.

    I still remember mail ordering my WAR 1996 (For the younger ones: World Anabolic Review) and reading each page feverishly. Trying to digest all the information whilst doing my degree work.

    This was after training 3yrs natural and the curiousity getting the better of me despite the advice of the gym owner and bigger guys to not bother (all these were at my age now coincidently)...but what did they know...

    Anticipating my first cycle and plaing on whether using 25mg or 30mg of dbol and whether it was too much. I remember contemplating if 250mg of testosterone would be too much to add for my third cycle inc deca @ 200mg and dbol @ 30mg....

    Now the internet where everyone is an expert in whatever field.

    Anonymous advice given at the drop of a hat.

    Forums filled with members enabling each other. Drug forums offering advice on how to extract the opiates from POMS to mainline before only in the relms of the full blown junkie was this privvy to. Now every secondary school kid with a curiousity toward teenage angst coupled with a wish to replicate their idols has the tools to make a home substitute.

    These building blocks that so many place their emphasis and faith into.

    The foundations of which is built upon sand.

    The house of cards that will drop and is dropping around people.

    I am seeing guys around my age and slightly older dropping like flies from degenerative illness induced I believe from their past usage or at least a major factor toward.

    Guys from UK forums that were very vocal and prominent. The 'big guys'.

    Its no coincidence that these were the same people who burnt the candle both ends. Its a known fact that steroids and recreational drugs is the No 1 cocktail for death.

    Then you have the people highlighted in threads who have died recently most not even reaching the mid way point in life of 50....I wonder if you ask them now if it was worth it how they would answer?

    Its a silent killer. Its a malignant tumour in wait. Some will remain dormant and get away with it. Roll the dice.......

    Maybe the guys back when I wanted to do my first course were onto something when they said dont open that door.....
     
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  3. mick_the_brick

    mick_the_brick Administrator

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    Very good and thought prevoking post that Pip.
     
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  4. beholder69

    beholder69 The Clymedian

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    Yep, good post
     
  5. Any-mouse

    Any-mouse Senior Member

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    Ive lost a couple of good friends one was 42 and was the person who got me into training, he was using stupid amounts of gear but at that point in my life I didnt know enough about the sport to have a go at him, not that I think it would have made much difference, miss that big bastard so much.....

    The other friend died of a massive heart attack, the sport had seriously fucked with his head, he never took a break from courses, and couldnt handle being anything but ripped, the doctors told him that his body couldnt function like that and that  his heart was failing, we all begged him to stop......I had long conversations with him about it but he had a mental addiction and severe body dismorphia....

    I have a close friend just now who counts out how many nuts he can have.......he called me one day crying and making no sense.....I made him eat a jam sandwich, he was so carb depleted that I worried for his sanity.

    I love the sport but there are times that I hate it
     
  6. Pip

    Pip Elite Member

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    It attracts mental midgets unfortunately. I dont mean that in a disparaging way either.

    So many people are not in mental equilibrium to begin with and then add hormones to it. Receipe for disaster.

    Unfortunately its not someithing that improves with age unless they a) have a brutal wake up call b) come to self realisation and attain inner peace.
     
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  7. NO_SHANE_HERE

    NO_SHANE_HERE Elite Member

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    Tell you what. I havent used since may. I get all the oh youve lost loads of weight. But i actually feel so much healthier. Aye the post cycle period was mental torture. But its true. Mental midgetry is the key factor here when using for recreational purposes. I dont even miss the gym tbh. Im enjoying other things.
     
  8. Arterial Dan

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    Vince Comerford, Age 52, suspected heart failure

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  9. mattyt

    mattyt Senior Member

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    I'm 29 cycling 5 years never over 1g in total , alway in good health .


    Got an ECG to check health to find out below results


    sinus tachycardia


    Amplitude criterea for lvh


    St and t abnormality


    Consider inferior ischemia or left vertricaler stain .


    I'm waiting in a echo now and dr said i have enlarged heart .
     
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    mattyt Senior Member

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    To those who say its luck or unlucky to those who get problem it always comes back to hardening of the heart - due to steroid abuse !!


    Why didn't I listen when I first started but listened to those people who say you have to be unlucky ......
     
  11. mick_the_brick

    mick_the_brick Administrator

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    I have enlarged heart too and get bloods every 6 months


    Had a heart ultrasound


    Enlarged heart is commonplace amongst trainers and nothing else was commented on tbh
     
  12. Pip

    Pip Elite Member

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    You come off then and what triggered you to have an ECG?
     
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  13. Rentaghost

    Rentaghost Moderator Staff Member

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    I had the same...


    They thought I had ARVC. Luckily I didn't, just an enlarged right and left ventricle, a right bundle branch block and bradycardia. Beat is duff as well, never did have much rhythm though.


    None of which are particularly dangerous on their own.


    Was shitting myself for a while last year but the specialist assures me I'm grand, for now.
     
  14. mattyt

    mattyt Senior Member

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    I understand its common for those that train hard , its a worry till I get my echo ( ultra sound of the heart ), to check for Hardening of arteries .


    When did you last get your heart scanned Mick ? I'm guessing your bloods come back fairly well each time ?
     
  15. mattyt

    mattyt Senior Member

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    I have been wanting to get checked properly for some time now , to keep an eye on my health . I will be off untill I'm certain , that its enlargement with out the damage .