10 Days Into 400mg Chiron Npp And Noticed Absolutely Nothing, Bunk Gear Or Way Too Early?

[Sjundea]

At 5,10 and 178lb and 10% you are small
I agree with noel, that sounds like good condition but with those stats you may have not been eating enough before hand
A 400 cal increase isn't much anyway and even if this was a slight surplus the weight increase would be very gradual
Throw in some gear to speed up metabolism and it's just using up those extra cals
Post up your diet from before and now
I'd guess you're under eating for your goals

He makes me look scrawny too apparently. Yet no pics to back this up!

 

[noel]

any idea of actual calories and macros of this monster...

 

[Porky]

Lee's 2nd acc innit

 

[BigChap92]

Tbf I'm on Chiron NPP now.

Hit a nice 160 paused bench PB the other day.

Think I'm about 2 weeks in aswell.

I must of got the legit batch.

What baffles me is, if your running test aswell why isn't the test working at least unless they're both bunk?

Or the ‘Pharma’ test is bunk and the npp is in the process of shutting him down like a dirty takeaway bruh.

Dat anxiety and paranoia setting in.

What’s more likely Bunk? The lab who everyone fucking loves with a proven track record of blood
Tests behind them or the knock off pharma test?

 

[BigChap92]

That's the thing though isn't it. If you are eating in excess regardless of anything else you will gain weight. Take gear out of the equation completely here because you are more than likely still in a calorie deficit or at the very least around maintenance if there's been zero scale movement in 2 weeks. I'd say go up in calories by at least another 600 maybe even 800 and reassess

Mad isn’t it, the logic of some people is unbelievable.

“ I’m in a calorie excess and not gaining weight “

You aren’t in a calorie excess then you fucking blurt.

 

[Reacher]

Mad isn’t it, the logic of some people is unbelievable.

“ I’m in a calorie excess and not gaining weight “

You aren’t in a calorie excess then you fucking blurt.

this is it, no one ( and I do it just same ) actually sits down and thinks right what's goin on here then, what am I doin, what is/ is not happening.
Look at the most basic shit first and work up

 

[JANIKvonD]

Must be a member on here he got it off because no one outside of this forum has even heard of it brah

Iranian test is probably bunk though too

Again, I’d know if I was on test within 10 days

if you 'feel' test E within 10 days.. it's probably lined with smack mate. because there's absolutely no fucking way you feel anything other than placebo (ie it's in your head)

even rip blends you'd never 'feel' in that short time, never mind actually see any physical changes (strength OR composition)

now add that he's on 400mg ffs.. it's very low dose for any kind of short 'aggressive' cycle.

my advice OP is stop using anything that you're not sure of.. pick another lab if need be, but i'll guarantee you're in the exact same situation as you are now. eventually you'll have to accept the gear was fine the whole time & look at addressing the actual issue/reason you're not progressing

 

[m575]

I know that Chiron also have lab tests for all raws, they're not going to go to that trouble and not dose anything properly are they, esp npp considering it's peanuts

Maybe he’s got a peanut allergy so doesn’t respond

 

[Guest]

Maybe he’s got a peanut allergy so doesn’t respond

 

[Porky]

Maybe he’s got a peanut allergy so doesn’t respond

Dat pharma patented arachis oil

 

[Mantis09]

Mad isn’t it, the logic of some people is unbelievable.

“ I’m in a calorie excess and not gaining weight “

You aren’t in a calorie excess then you fucking blurt.

You're an idiot.

Ive put on 1.5lbs but you'd expect more being 2 weeks into npp, i am in a calorie surplus but looking to lean bulk so a 1000 plus calorie surplus is out the question. Regardless, ive upped the cals more than id have originally liked. Their is a good emphasis is diet but stop acting as though the gear wont show signs of strength and other things without being in a big surplus.

 

[Sjundea]

You're an idiot.

Ive put on 1.5lbs but you'd expect more being 2 weeks into npp, i am in a calorie surplus but looking to lean bulk so a 1000 plus calorie surplus is out the question. Regardless, ive upped the cals more than id have originally liked. Their is a good emphasis is diet but stop acting as though the gear wont show signs of strength and other things without being in a big surplus.

Just change labs.
A vial of npp is like 20 quid. Hardly breaking the bank is it.
95% of guys juicing on here use Chiron and are happy. You're the 1st or poss 2nf guy to come and say it isn't work as you'd expect.
That's totally fine. Instead of moaning, just change things up.

 

[Sjundea]

Inb4 I get insulted again, but the above is genuine advice.

 

[G-G]

You're an idiot.

Ive put on 1.5lbs but you'd expect more being 2 weeks into npp, i am in a calorie surplus but looking to lean bulk so a 1000 plus calorie surplus is out the question. Regardless, ive upped the cals more than id have originally liked. Their is a good emphasis is diet but stop acting as though the gear wont show signs of strength and other things without being in a big surplus.

1.5lbs in 2 weeks
Wants to gain 10 in 12 weeks
1.5/2 = 0.75lbs
0.75*12 =9lbs

Sounds like you’re bang on track?

Again. You've admitted you’ve not used npp previously so have nothing to compare it to.
Not everyone experiences noticeable strength gains on npp or any other ped for that matter.

I used npp a couple of times, if anything I found it rather mild and noticed little beyond the ability to push a little harder in the gym, and even then only fractions noticeable after reviewing log books.

 

[Mantis09]

Just change labs.
A vial of npp is like 20 quid. Hardly breaking the bank is it.
95% of guys juicing on here use Chiron and are happy. You're the 1st or poss 2nf guy to come and say it isn't work as you'd expect.
That's totally fine. Instead of moaning, just change things up.

Thats what in gonna do if nothing happens in the next week or so