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Yohimbine Advice, First Time User

noel said:
hmm late stages of prep if lean I think it brings a hardness/dense hardness to physique.- dry but not flat... it enabled me to use less winny (30-40mg) and keep strength up without the joint pains that go with final bit of prep and winstrol. bit of aggression..... v popular with PLs ....... and fighters too..... wouldn't run too long....... ddoesnt fuck appetite like sdrol does for me .....and just feels a bit better........hardly super scientific there........ toxic like any strong oral...... so watch BP, drink water etc......... I feel like BP goes up more on SD than Halo personally..........
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What sort of dosage do you think is required at a min for an aesthetic improvement when sufficiently lean?
 
noel said:
I doubt in 4 days its just nuked stubborn fat mate......... I know a lot on here rate Chiron but its using the same raw materials as everyone else and Yohimbine works (used it a few preps myself) but im super super skeptical that in 4 days its done that........not being a cunt etc but some of the claims are getting ridiculous now................. well be using fat burning tummy teas next ! prob the halo and diet and everything clicking.......... IMO......halo makes a big difference
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It will be a combo of everything like you said, personally, I do get the look and feel of what has been described above, when I run it, not saying that any fat has actually came off, probably hasn't or if it has it would be minimal, I'd like to add that that's not even talking about chiron. I do know a lot of people that have and are running Chiron Yoh-HCL and all seem to rate it and I also know that none have any affiliation to the lab.
 
On subject of yohimbine I am noticing that on days I take it fasted in morning, I don't get hungry at all really. Quite useful as I fast till 12, which on days I don't take it this is way harder.
 
Sjundea said:
On subject of yohimbine I am noticing that on days I take it fasted in morning, I don't get hungry at all really. Quite useful as I fast till 12, which on days I don't take it this is way harder.
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Its a stim.. wouldnt that be expected?
 
Sjundea said:
What sort of dosage do you think is required at a min for an aesthetic improvement when sufficiently lean?
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ive not run it alone always end of prep so other orals present like winny.... but 20mg worked fine.......... for me.....you may be able to go a little giher if no others but I don't see a reason to be going much above 25-30mg max........... personally........ last time I cut my winny down to 30-40mg max..... as im very sensitive to it at back end of prep - normally 4 weeks out im getting the pains....... this time literally just a week out in two workouts and my strength was higher...... only real difference was I added halo.......
 
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GM-20 said:
It will be a combo of everything like you said, personally, I do get the look and feel of what has been described above, when I run it, not saying that any fat has actually came off, probably hasn't or if it has it would be minimal, I'd like to add that that's not even talking about chiron. I do know a lot of people that have and are running Chiron Yoh-HCL and all seem to rate it and I also know that none have any affiliation to the lab.
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its just more that every post anyone using Chiron seems to need to quantify they aren't just running say 500mg Test and Tren its... Chiron test and tren .- as though its somehow better? ....... or every time they mention any product its Chiron (and then how amazing it is)........ which is cool ....just getting a little boring as its not like people are saying "hey mate which lab you using" ............ and also if you have Yohimbine and its real (which it most likely is) it doesn't matter which....... a good lab is a good lab......just doesn't need to be force fed IMO......... 4 days of Yohimbine - Chiron or otherwise isn't going to be melting stubborn fat ........... else no one would use DNP for starters........ and no one uses that for 4 days and suddenly looks amazing.....they run it for longer......... most would prob sack off HGH also if 10mg of yohimbine just spanked fat in a few days too.......... far cheaper ............ see what I mean? at the end of a prep your body does funny things...one moirning you think you look fat and by lunch your shredded....and that changes 5-6 times a day!!

almost everyone I know - male or female holds some water with yohimbine too.......and rarely see much from it until you stop and that extra water comes off..... again just from my experience with it and with others using.......

now run tren, winny, halo, t3 and clen, a diet, cardio and be almost stage ready then fuck me if you aren't losing some of that stubborn fat its time to pack it in :-) .......IB made an analogy a while back that its like dry oats or Weetabix on the side of a bowl, its a bastard to come off and takes time, bit by bit. (great analogy IMO)....... yohimbine will help a bit but its not just going to remove it all in a few days.........regardless of the brand used.......

anyway semi-rant over .............wasn't saying people had an affiliation directly but lets not be silly we all know its someone home cooking it, so there is an angle of sorts - maybe not quite the same as the tools on UKM with their Latvian (Russian mafia) sourced gear - but that's what made that place semi unreadable due to constant lab pushing in every sentence.........
 
doink said:
Use it fasted.

It's half life is about 30 mins so you wanna take it 15 minutes before you're activity.

Any insulin response will prevent its activity so it's best used on empty.
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This is what you'll read online (over and over), but it's not really the true picture.


The half-life may be much longer than that (3) and typically bimodal (but not always) - but it's highly variably and possibly dependent upon the genes for a couple of the p450 enzymes. No to mention, the main metabolite 11-0H yohimbine acts the same way (alpha-2 antagonist), and is weaker, but doesn't bind as tightly to plasma proteins leaving more of it to be active... so the effects of this metabolite also come into play.

1. Berlan M, Le Verge R, Galitzky J, Le Corre P. Alpha 2-adrenoceptor antagonist potencies of two hydroxylated metabolites of yohimbine. Br J Pharmacol. 1993;108(4):927-932.

2. Le Corre P, Parmer RJ, Kailasam MT, et al. Human sympathetic activation by alpha2-adrenergic blockade with yohimbine: Bimodal, epistatic influence of cytochrome P450-mediated drug metabolism. Clin Pharmacol Ther. 2004;76(2):139-153.

3. Sturgill MG, Grasing KW, Rosen RC, et al. Yohimbine elimination in normal volunteers is characterized by both one- and two-compartment behavior. J Cardiovasc Pharmacol. 1997;29(6):697-703.

What all that means is that there's a pretty damn variable response to yohimbine - some can handle it and some can't, form what I've seen over the years.

Also, the issue with food is that blocking the alpha-2's impairs the reduction of insulin brought on my sympathetic activation to the pancreas, so you can end up with higher insulin levels when using yohimbine and this could be more of an issue if you've eaten. https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/BF00498572 So the issue is raising insulin when using yohimbine (and inhibiting lipolysis), but there's no direct binding the the yohimbine by insulin or something like that. It's just that the effects of insulin are antagonistic to those of yohimbine when it comes to adipose lipolysis.


-S
 
that's In the thread about the lab...fair enough and i didn't mean that one........ if it does make your dick bigger i want a barrel full! just in general.......... as said it grates massively on TM as every post is like a source advert...... be shame to see that become the norm here was more the point...... and is this thread as an example (ie chiron yohimbine melting stubborn fat in 4 days)......

60p.....fucking hell.......... hope you have kidnap/ransom insurance
 
doink said:
It is like 90% tongue in cheek mate, the chiron love I mean.

Thought that was pretty obvious with the comments about it making your dick bigger etc.


As a side note I should mention I start chiron last week and when I checked my bank balance today it had trebled.

Cant be anything other than the chiron that did it as it's the only variable.










There's now 60 pence in my account.
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It is tongue on cheek n it is funny. The rest of some people is obvious to tho. Noel is right to a point. We both know that.

It's been mentioned to me a few times how it's blatant plugging. I don't care n niether does the board as for me the difference in this situation is I trust the people bragging about the stuff and see no issue a gd lab being pushed to a point.

However some of these people don't have a leg to stand on when people point it out lol.
 
noel said:
that's In the thread about the lab...fair enough and i didn't mean that one........ if it does make your dick bigger i want a barrel full! just in general.......... as said it grates massively on TM as every post is like a source advert...... be shame to see that become the norm here was more the point...... and is this thread as an example (ie chiron yohimbine melting stubborn fat in 4 days)......

60p.....fucking hell.......... hope you have kidnap/ransom insurance
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So, ok yes reading that back about getting shot of stubborn fat in 4 days is a touch far fetched I agree. I didn't make any other changes in those 4 days so I'll accept I got a little carried away. I did not mean to over glorify the Lab or the yohimbine itself that was never my intention at all. All I do know is I'm military with everything especially this close to competing (16 days now) and adding this stuff into the mix really has surprised me on how fast it's effects are. Again like in my original post on this possible other variables coming into play as it's not the only thing I'm taking. I ain't daft im just a beginner with only 2 shows and one 1st place to go with that. I know from your posts on this forum you are no divvy too Noel and I respect your input. I'm just out here willing to learn like many others
 
As for the "plugging" of a lab or anything like that. Yes I've read and commented in the same thread. All in all a good lab was being "promoted" let's say. All I will say is some of you really need too lighten up a touch and grab a sense of humour. It was quite obvious we (myself included) were taking this piss. Not getting into an internet row with anyone as I'm 29 years old. If you didn't find any of it funny or you didn't quite get it then just move on and read something else on here like peanut butter on rice cakes. That's fashion nowadays ain't it [emoji23]
 
maybe i worded it wrong...wasn't trying to call you out as a fool...... maybe its more the accumulation of content on said Lab....add on this bit about the fat loss.....just to some others - especially newer peeps it could be misconstrued........ and also an apology as two weeks out the minds all over the shop and last thing i want to be doing to someone competing (and close to show date) is be cunty and negative ........so for that im sorry...... its hard enough as it is without some negativity of sorts directed at you on the internet.....
 
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You didn't say much wrong tbf mate. No real need for apology we are grown men [emoji106]

The plug bit rubbed me up more as I've no affiliation to anything or anyone but I will review and rate products. Ironically it was a Chiron Lab product [emoji23].

Ha yes heads a little jumpy. Biting quicker than I usually ever would I accept that.

You one of the few I'd actually take knowledge from mate so please see that as a compliment [emoji106]
 
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