High Tren Low Test ?

[Bigmike]

Sorry to hijack a thread. I very new here. But have had experience with all aas over the years. I used tren years back with what I remember no major mental issues only sides poor sleep sweating usual suspects. However I have been on 10mg citalopram which was result from lot of stress and year back major family loss.. I do not suffer from depression etc.. but in would like to try tren in my cycle again soon. But would like others advice and opinions as the years have passed there is more experience and knowledge on tren doses etc..all help welcome here

 

[neil.rushton]

You aint seen me right.

 

[Stephen]

Increased estrogen from the higher testosterone combined with Tren can cause more sides.

Use something to lower estrogen (or manage progesterone if your feeling flush) or replace your test dose with mast and the sides tend to to decrease.
It's not the test itself that's the issue

@RS did you lot have experience with this Med mate?

Tren has links to dopamine, I'll try and remember and dig out some stuff later when I have time.

 

[Bigmike]

@RS did you lot have experience with this Med mate?

Tren has links to dopamine, I'll try and remember and dig out some stuff later when I have time.

That would be great mate
I have used tren number of times 6-7 years ago. So life changes.. also. But I was always fine.. bit grumpy or moody at times but that's tren and can get.from all gear some less than others, but I always tell myself take a step back and chill lol.. I know that the ssri I am on increases only serotonin. Nil effect on dopamine or noradrenaline. But I do remember reading on net that tren increases proGestin levels. And guys have to utilise cabeaser/dost inexpensive this is know cannot be mixed with most srris

 

[Con]

Sorry to hijack a thread. I very new here. But have had experience with all aas over the years. I used tren years back with what I remember no major mental issues only sides poor sleep sweating usual suspects. However I have been on 10mg citalopram which was result from lot of stress and year back major family loss.. I do not suffer from depression etc.. but in would like to try tren in my cycle again soon. But would like others advice and opinions as the years have passed there is more experience and knowledge on tren doses etc..all help welcome here

Don't bother.
It's bad for the psyche and IMO also for heart and kidneys.

 

[GM-20]

Don't say that @Con all them breh's are needing dat der tren to make it.

Also regardless how many guys have kidney issues, heart attacks etc... it was never, ever steroid related.
Always a pre-existing condition that went years without ever being picked up

 

[Sciatic]

Don't bother.
It's bad for the psyche and IMO also for heart and kidneys.

Is Tren really bad for the heart and kidneys? Or does that apply to all steroids. I suppose dose dependant will play a major part and moderation is key...Anyway, is it just Tren that has a bad rep on heart and kidneys.

Cheers.

 

[Guest]

Is Tren really bad for the heart and kidneys? Or does that apply to all steroids. I suppose dose dependant will play a major part and moderation is key...Anyway, is it just Tren that has a bad rep on heart and kidneys.

Cheers.

On all my bloods it hasnt

 

[sus250]

On all my bloods it hasnt

Probs cause your tren is so underdosed....... [emoji23]

 

[flynnie11]

Tren always makes me feel like shit

No worth it for me

Would only use now in last few weeks of cut or before show

If I would use i would add maybe 300mg ace on top of a cycle. High tren is nasty for me

 

[Joe Jeffery]

One theory to support the low/TRT level Test with Tren is to be able to easily control circulating E. Maintain a low E environment and consume trace fats, and reap the benefits of inhibiting de novo lipogenesis. This will in theory cause a reduction in body fat, even at in a caloric surplus. Tren has been found to do this in both bovine and rat studies. It is still just a theory in humans however, but a good guess is that empirically and anecdotally it will work.

Check this graph I threw together from some recent research on Tren in rats:

 

[Porky]

One theory to support the low/TRT level Test with Tren is to be able to easily control circulating E. Maintain a low E environment and consume trace fats, and reap the benefits of inhibiting de novo lipogenesis. This will in theory cause a reduction in body fat, even at in a caloric surplus. Tren has been found to do this in both bovine and rat studies. It is still just a theory in humans however, but a good guess is that empirically and anecdotally it will work.

Check this graph I threw together from some recent research on Tren in rats:
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Isnt e added to cattle tren as it is more productive in a high e environment

 

[thesaintishere]

I was under the impression that humans are massively inefficient at de novo lipogenesis anyway, so therefore (lack of) fat consumption shouldn't have any impact upon this whatsoever, unless you are consuming insane amounts of carbs for extended periods.

 

[Joe Jeffery]

Isnt e added to cattle tren as it is more productive in a high e environment

E is added to cattle as in the studies the Tren pellets alone (low/no E environment) caused the cattle to lose too much fat, and the meat to be TOO lean and therefore not as tasty.

E is added to keep some marbling too the meat and prevent excessive fat loss.

 

[Joe Jeffery]

I was under the impression that humans are massively inefficient at de novo lipogenesis anyway, so therefore (lack of) fat consumption shouldn't have any impact upon this whatsoever, unless you are consuming insane amounts of carbs for extended periods.

Tren has been found to totally inhibit de novo lipogenesis. You are right that most mammals are highly inefficient at converting carbohydrates to adipose tissue, and fat will be the primary stored macronutrient, but it does still happen. Inevitably as caloric needs increase, as will fat storage. I don't do this myself by the way, just a theory I found interesting!