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Abscesses and treatment

Prodiver

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Abscesses resulting from AAS injections are painful pockets of pus in a muscle or under the skin.

They are not caused by rough injection technique, blunt needles or by injecting large amounts: they are caused by bacteria introduced at the time of injection.

Bacteria are introduced by lack of hygiene, unsterile drawing up or injection technique, or by contaminated gear.

Many AAS users have injected hygienically for years without experiencing an abscess, but statistically the likelihood increases the more injections that are done.

Some sorts of bacteria, such as fecal, are easily spread to injection sites and are extremely virulent once in skin and muscle tissue, so scrupulous hygiene is vital.

The infectious bacteria kill local cells, causing an inflammatory response, increasing local blood flow and drawing in white blood cells which form the pus.

The inflammatory response results in redness, heat, swelling and pain.

The surrounding healthy cells try to stop the pus spreading the infection by encapsulating it.

Unfortunately this encapsulation tends to prevent immune cells and antibiotics from futher attacking the bacteria.

An abscess may become fully encapsulated, go "blind" and quiescent and gradually be absorbed, but more often worsens and spreads.

Abscesses which spread may cause severe debility, gangrene and septicaemia and even death.

Abscesses in most parts of the body rarely heal themselves and so require prompt medical attention as soon as suspected.

Ultimately abscesses not cured by antibiotics may need draining and debriding, and treatment which keeps them open until they heal from the inside out.

Rough injection technique and AAS containing excessive antiseptic may soon cause PIP (post injection pain).

If the PIP does not subside within a day or two and the injection site is red, hot, increasingly painful, firm and swollen, sometimes with a softer centre, an abscess should be suspected and treatment started as soon as possible.

A friendly bodybuilder Doctor says:

"For an abscess you should be on 1000 mg (1 gram) of flucloxacillin 4 times a day for the first 4 doses, plus 1000 mg of penicillin 4 times a day for the first 4 doses, providing you don't have any renal problems.

"You can go back to 500 mg of both 4 times a day for at least a week when the big guns hit it.

"The penicillin is overkill but you need to hit an abscess really hard. Big doses of antibiotics fast will knock it down hopefully otherwise you're in trouble."

If you don't have access to these antibiotics go immediately to your GP, walk-in centre or A&E and impress this upon them.
 
Absolutely bang on the money advice here.

As Prodiver says if you suspect an abscess don't fvck about get the antibiotics smashed in unless you fancy an open wound in your ar$e/leg.

I've seen some abscess that were not treated promptly (in IV drug users) and some people have lost limbs as a result of them. Not a scare story just reiterating the importance of Prodivers post and the need to take this area of gear use seriously.
 
I was out of training for approx 4 months after getting a glute abcess cut open and being left to heal from inside out.

Horrible experience but the morphine was fun at the time lol
 
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Just searched every online pharmacy I know and no luck.

Would Amoxycillin be suitable as its penicillin based along with the flucloxacillin?
 
i ended up in hospital for 48 hours on an IV Drip after shooting lixus t400, i was 10 weeks in to a 12 week cycle......started with a red patch on my delt that spread all over my arm, lost motion from elbow down....went to hospital on day 4.....took my gear with me to save dodging the issue.....took 2 days to calm the infection and i was on flucloaxcallin for 2 weeks after...was scarey...i wont lie.....got 2 boxes of fluclo incase of emergencies.
 
No mate was just wondering. If I came across those anti b's I would of stocked to try combat an abscess myself instead of going to doctors.
 
i drained a mates abscess once or twice but only because he wouldn't go to his GP
 
No mate was just wondering. If I came across those anti b's I would of stocked to try combat an abscess myself instead of going to doctors.

Well let us know if ever you do.

You need fluclox against some of the more difficult bacteria and penicillin G (benzylpenecillin) for others.
 
Just out of interest isn't Flucloxacillin = penicillin anyway?

And could one use Clarithromycin instead of penicillin? It's widely available in online pharmacies and it often prescribed to those allergic to penicillin.
 
Just out of interest isn't Flucloxacillin = penicillin anyway?

And could one use Clarithromycin instead of penicillin? It's widely available in online pharmacies and it often prescribed to those allergic to penicillin.

Fluclox and G are different types of penicillin which attack different strains of bacteria.

Clarithromycin may substitute for G, and you may be lucky that it'll work.

Ideally with a serious abscess the pathogen should be identified and the exact antibiotic given.
 
I think i've got suspected abcess on my left quad from an injection 2 weeks ago. Area feels warm to the touch and hurts a little when i push it. can PIP last this long or should i start downing the antibiotics as described?

Am i right saying the whole course should last a about a week? first day would be 4000mg of flucloxacillin and 4000mg of penicillin then the following 7 days 2000mg flucloxacillin and 2000mg penicillin?
 
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