Advice On Bulking + Fat Burning Cycle

[Kwiksliver]

Hi All

I'm new to the forum and looking for some advice on my cycle please? I am 38, weigh 11.5 stone and 5'9" height. Been back at the gym now for around 6 months. In my 20's I was an addict and gained great results without using any gear. Then I broke my ribs and had a family (approx 7 years out), and now hitting it hard again. Over this time I put on some fat around my lower abdomen which I'm determined to get rid of, whilst attempting to bulk up as much lean mass as possible.

I started off by doing a cycle of Test E300 1ml twice a week, plus Anavar 20mg twice daily. I experienced decent gains during this cycle, but want to loose more fat (ideally without a calorie deficit to loose muscle).

Now I've just started a cycle of: Test E300 1ml twice a week, Anavar 60mg twice daily, DBol 10mg 4 x daily, Arimidex 1mg daily and I have just started Clen 40mg daily.
So far the only side effects I've had on the above have been the usual spots, and the DBol makes me feel quite lethargic, which I can deal with (energy drinks help - but not sure if this is advisable now that I've started Clen?).

Does anyone have any suggestions on how I can get the most out of my cycle? Could I be doing anything better to achieve my goal? Once I've shredded the fat I will knock the Clen on the head.

Would be grateful to hear your thoughts

Thanks in Advance

 

[Mersey Muscle]

want to loose more fat (ideally without a calorie deficit to loose muscle).

That's unrealistic mate in regards to fat loss but you shouldn't lose much muscle on a deficit if you get adequate protein/carbs/fats.

Anavar 60mg twice daily, DBol 10mg 4 x daily, Arimidex 1mg daily and I have just started Clen 40mg daily.

Why all this?

 

[G-G]

Trying to do two things at once is difficult but not impossible. But it’s down to far more than gear.

your cycle doesn’t make sense to me, and clen is fucking horrific IMO.

what’s your diet and training like? As this is going to be the greatest factor in your physique changes. The fact your using energy drinks probably suggests your diet leaves a little to be desired (could be diet but I’d still swerve)

 

[GolfDelta]

If your main goal is to lose fat then go in a calorie deficit until you reach your desired body fat level then think about bulking up. Could use a low dose of test to retain what muscle you have. As said above it’s unrealistic to expect to bulk and lose the fat around your midsection at the same time.

 

[pooley1810]

Hi All

I'm new to the forum and looking for some advice on my cycle please? I am 38, weigh 11.5 stone and 5'9" height. Been back at the gym now for around 6 months. In my 20's I was an addict and gained great results without using any gear. Then I broke my ribs and had a family (approx 7 years out), and now hitting it hard again. Over this time I put on some fat around my lower abdomen which I'm determined to get rid of, whilst attempting to bulk up as much lean mass as possible.

I started off by doing a cycle of Test E300 1ml twice a week, plus Anavar 20mg twice daily. I experienced decent gains during this cycle, but want to loose more fat (ideally without a calorie deficit to loose muscle).

Now I've just started a cycle of: Test E300 1ml twice a week, Anavar 60mg twice daily, DBol 10mg 4 x daily, Arimidex 1mg daily and I have just started Clen 40mg daily.
So far the only side effects I've had on the above have been the usual spots, and the DBol makes me feel quite lethargic, which I can deal with (energy drinks help - but not sure if this is advisable now that I've started Clen?).

Does anyone have any suggestions on how I can get the most out of my cycle? Could I be doing anything better to achieve my goal? Once I've shredded the fat I will knock the Clen on the head.

Would be grateful to hear your thoughts

Thanks in Advance

This is a complete mess
You don't need 1.3g of gear at 11.5stone!
All you're doing by using clen whilst not in a deficit is destroying your health
And 1mg of adex a day is way too much unless you're extremely prone to gyno. You estrogen will be non existent and cholesterol through the roof, especially with the other orals too
You really need to decide what you wanna do as right now just throwing a load of random drugs at it is just harming your health for no real gain
The best way will be go into a deficit, lose the fat then you can build from a lean base
Or
If you wanna gain some size, you'll have to accept you won't be losing much fat as you'll need a surplus of calories

 

[pooley1810]

Are you using 60mg of var daily
Or 60mg twice daily (120mg total) as your post reads?

 

[Mersey Muscle]

Are you using 60mg of var daily
Or 60mg twice daily (120mg total) as your post reads?

Looks to me that he's on 160mg orals daily. Madness.

 

[Kwiksliver]

Thanks guys! Appreciate all the responses. OK great, for me at the moment size and strength is of more importance than fat loss. So I guess I'll leave the Clen for now and use that later when in a deficit.

Currently training 5 times per week, and eating minimum 5 times per day. High protein, complex carbs, veg etc with the usual supplements. Have totally cut out any junk food etc.

Ill probably stick to the Dbol and Var whilst bulking then. The 1mg Arimidex is more because I'm scared of growing tits! But I get your point...what dose would you recommend?

Cheers

 

[Richie_Rich]

This is a complete mess
You don't need 1.3g of gear at 11.5stone!
All you're doing by using clen whilst not in a deficit is destroying your health
And 1mg of adex a day is way too much unless you're extremely prone to gyno. You estrogen will be non existent and cholesterol through the roof, especially with the other orals too
You really need to decide what you wanna do as right now just throwing a load of random drugs at it is just harming your health for no real gain
The best way will be go into a deficit, lose the fat then you can build from a lean base
Or
If you wanna gain some size, you'll have to accept you won't be losing much fat as you'll need a surplus of calories

Hes a chelsea fan
All abit dim arent they bud

 

[Kwiksliver]

Are you using 60mg of var daily
Or 60mg twice daily (120mg total) as your post reads?

Yeah 60mg twice daily bud

 

[Kwiksliver]

Hes a chelsea fan
All abit dim arent they bud

Still second in the league ‍ for now...

 

[GolfDelta]

You don’t need all those orals. All you’re doing is adding unnecessary strain on your body. 1mg a day of adex is ridiculous too. I think you need to do a lot more research to use steroids safely. At less than 12 stone I’d be dubious as to whether you know how to eat properly too.

 

[pooley1810]

Thanks guys! Appreciate all the responses. OK great, for me at the moment size and strength is of more importance than fat loss. So I guess I'll leave the Clen for now and use that later when in a deficit.

Currently training 5 times per week, and eating minimum 5 times per day. High protein, complex carbs, veg etc with the usual supplements. Have totally cut out any junk food etc.

Ill probably stick to the Dbol and Var whilst bulking then. The 1mg Arimidex is more because I'm scared of growing tits! But I get your point...what dose would you recommend?

Cheers

OK
At least you can focus on one thing now
120mg of var is way ott if its legit anavar
And var plus dbol in the same cycle is counterproductive, use one or the other
If size n strength is your goal then dbol would be the preferred option, but you'll gain some water and increase aromatisation
Var would be a good option if you wanted to keep water down and decrease the chances of gyno, its likely you'll need much less adex if you took this option, but var is less of a mass gainer than dbol
AIs aren't nice drugs, only use if necessary and only use the least amount you need
Having estrogen on the higher side isn't an issue unless you get negative effects, its actually needed for muscle building
Dose is person dependent and will also depend on whether you use var or dbol

 

[Kwiksliver]

OK
At least you can focus on one thing now
120mg of var is way ott if its legit anavar
And var plus dbol in the same cycle is counterproductive, use one or the other
If size n strength is your goal then dbol would be the preferred option, but you'll gain some water and increase aromatisation
Var would be a good option if you wanted to keep water down and decrease the chances of gyno, its likely you'll need much less adex if you took this option, but var is less of a mass gainer than dbol
AIs aren't nice drugs, only use if necessary and only use the least amount you need
Having estrogen on the higher side isn't an issue unless you get negative effects, its actually needed for muscle building
Dose is person dependent and will also depend on whether you use var or dbol

Thanks, I appreciate your advice. I'll cut out the adex for now also unless I notice any gyno side effects from the DBol. Will see how it goes! Thanks again

 

[Mersey Muscle]

Thanks, I appreciate your advice. I'll cut out the adex for now also unless I notice any gyno side effects from the DBol. Will see how it goes! Thanks again

But what about the Var and Dbol at 160mg daily total? That's insane mate and I've run some big gear doses over the years.