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Cycling For Pennies Dante Trudel - Dc Training
- Thread starter danny187
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Im doing DC at the moment so yes but for years I've done very low volume. Not always one working set but almost always to failure.
Dat vinegar stroke
Reacher
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@Righty
I know you used to train DC, how you find fortitude compares with DC?
I used to like DC but just like to train with more volume, not results based thinking just what I enjoy.
Fortitude seems like then next step along from DC on paper anyway.
Scotts one of Dantes disciples I'm guessing.
I know you used to train DC, how you find fortitude compares with DC?
I used to like DC but just like to train with more volume, not results based thinking just what I enjoy.
Fortitude seems like then next step along from DC on paper anyway.
Scotts one of Dantes disciples I'm guessing.
AFAIK, Dr Scott is the ONLY person Dante has asked to also officially be a DC trainer.
I may be wrong on that but I don't think I am as I'm pretty sure I saw Dante write it on IM.
I suspect FT will give similar results to DC for those who can go "all in" on their sets and have a further bonus of even less tendon/joint wear.
Early days though.
Both are very tiring when done correctly though.
Reacher
Moderator
I don't think I could honestly summon everthing up in needed to to put it all in to a set on DC.
Everyone thinks they train hard, harder than everyone else but I've trained with some who've torn me a new arse hole in no time.
Then I've trained with people who think they are living full 'beast mode' and wondered if they were taking the piss they were that shamefull.
Everyone thinks they train hard, harder than everyone else but I've trained with some who've torn me a new arse hole in no time.
Then I've trained with people who think they are living full 'beast mode' and wondered if they were taking the piss they were that shamefull.
CS86
Top Contributor
I've trained DC before.
In 2nd week of FT now - having read Doc Stevenson's ebook it appealed to me greatly.
I love the way FT is completely customisable and allows the trainer to use his/her experience and instincts. DC was rigid.
Variety of training in FT is much greater and therefore imo system will be more fun over the long-term.
Stevenson also puts forward scientific research supporting the value of training stimulus variety...those pump sets Dante dismissed in 'Cycling For Pennies' may not be so worthless after all
Have to admit the big draw of both programs (apart from the intensity) is the training frequency. The arguments behind high-frequency training make so much sense. I've been training bodyparts with higher frequency (ie more frequent than once every 7 days) for over 18 months now and I can't imagine going back to a low frequency program anytime in the near future.
In 2nd week of FT now - having read Doc Stevenson's ebook it appealed to me greatly.
I love the way FT is completely customisable and allows the trainer to use his/her experience and instincts. DC was rigid.
Variety of training in FT is much greater and therefore imo system will be more fun over the long-term.
Stevenson also puts forward scientific research supporting the value of training stimulus variety...those pump sets Dante dismissed in 'Cycling For Pennies' may not be so worthless after all
Have to admit the big draw of both programs (apart from the intensity) is the training frequency. The arguments behind high-frequency training make so much sense. I've been training bodyparts with higher frequency (ie more frequent than once every 7 days) for over 18 months now and I can't imagine going back to a low frequency program anytime in the near future.
danny187
Top Contributor
Epic bump, Ash mention Dante, and remind me of this cycling for pennies
Great read IMO.
Great read IMO.
Yea there's this one that's great but there's also another one he done...
https://www.t-nation.com/workouts/how-to-build-50-pounds-of-muscle-in-12-months
https://www.t-nation.com/workouts/how-to-build-50-pounds-of-muscle-in-12-months
danny187
Top Contributor
Use this link, has many links and blogs about DC
http://doggcrapp.blogspot.co.uk/2006/11/cycle-for-pennies-condensed.html
i.e the DC manual and that.
He who makes the greatest strength gain accumulates the greatest muscle mass.
It's flawed right there wouldn't you say?
Flip on its head and it's flawed the other way round also.
It's flawed right there wouldn't you say?
Flip on its head and it's flawed the other way round also.
Epic bump but why is it flawed? I'm curious of your reasoning.
You go from benching 80kg to benching 180kg v's a guy following the same diet and peds who goes from benching 80 to 120. I'd expect guy A to have better musculature.
If you look at it the other way round, a bigger muscle has the potential to be a stronger one. So gaining more muscle will lead to more strength.
And in turn more muscle.
Going purely off my own experience and viewing those around me over the last decade. The biggest guys are also the ones striving to get stronger.
In a nutshell mate....you get powerlifter who are far stronger than bbers but a lot less muscular.
I do see that you can argue conversely the biggest thickest bbers are also often considered the strongest. Ronnie coleman fir instance.
But even on that one...jonny Jackson as an example...lacking leg development despite being very very strong.
I've had a go at dc and don't get me wrong progressing strength is a key factor as you point our based on your own observations.
But the notion that the stronger you are the more muscular you are is flawed for me based on my ramblings above.