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1tank1 said:
I'm running tren hex atm (200) and it's fookin ruthless for nasty side effects. Never experienced these types of negatives before though and I've run tren e at 400-600 on many cycles in the past (wasn't a pleasant experience LOL !).

I'm still not understanding the low test approach that everyone in this thread has bumped so far coz I really love test and have always got on well with it tbh.....but I'm doing some new research now.
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I went with test from 125 to 1000/ week, the higher i go the shittier i feel/look. More moody than i was with high tren, all kinds off mood swings like literally now i was just about to kill someone next moment almost crying at comercials on TV. Not even mentioning the bloat that you get because test is highly aromatising ...
 
EugenC said:
all kinds off mood swings like literally now i was just about to kill someone next moment almost crying at comercials on TV.
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I've had a bit of a problem with this exact same thing tbh for several years now but I just assumed I was suffering from some mental health issues from the stresses of life/wife/kids/job etc.

Never considered raised t-levels might be fookin my head up.......I always thought test was actually the only thing keeping me sane and shit like tren was the stuff that was making me nuts...
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More or too much of anything is only going to cause more sides.

I think you only need a certain amount of each to get what you want from it and having an excess is only going to cause more sides.
Obviously everyone reacts differently and using different sources/esters etc confuses the issue.
Tren is toxic, over time it will fuck you up.
I think its best used longer duration at lower doses, eg 100-200mg will still work if you are dieting as it's very anti catabolic, higher doses for strength and hypertrophy but you will pay for it in sides so will need to shorten the use.

With test, higher doses means more estrogen, more bloat, higher SHBG etc Masteron can help bind up some of this but then your total mg/ml is increased.

How little can you run of each to get what you are trying to achieve? Start from there and titrate up if needed.
 
For the tren look and recomp without trying too hard i find

250 test
400-600 tren e is a god send

i would run that for about 10-12 weeks no qualms, all being well you will be fine, alot of people talk about steds fckin you up and stuff but most people are fine its when your blasting 2/3g most the year you will find trouble IME
 
1tank1 said:
I'm running tren hex atm (200) and it's fookin ruthless for nasty side effects. Never experienced these types of negatives before though and I've run tren e at 400-600 on many cycles in the past (wasn't a pleasant experience LOL !).

I'm still not understanding the low test approach that everyone in this thread has bumped so far coz I really love test and have always got on well with it tbh.....but I'm doing some new research now.
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Well, try it.
you're running tren hex and experiencing ruthless sides. I'm gonner guess your test is much higher as you love test but don't understand how lower test can result in less sides. Just try it. I did and found it improved things for me.
I did say for me sides became not a thing, prob wrong choice of words, meant to a point where they weren't an issue, I could cope with them quite easily, not to say they were gone
 
1tank1 said:
I've had a bit of a problem with this exact same thing tbh for several years now but I just assumed I was suffering from some mental health issues from the stresses of life/wife/kids/job etc.

Never considered raised t-levels might be fookin my head up.......I always thought test was actually the only thing keeping me sane and shit like tren was the stuff that was making me nuts...
:think:
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you never associated mood swings mental health issues with running test ?
really
 
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G-G said:
It makes sense but real world can be different. The addition of mastdoes have an an effect as mentioned, I think the biggest/leanest I’ve ever been was on 200test 400 tren and 100 mast, and the sides weren’t bad to be fair, nothing major to report and I’d do it again. but the best I’ve felt while on cycle, best I’ve performed and most noticeable cycle was 600/700 straight tren e.
i had energy beyond normal, was dropping serious fat while gaining serious muscle without a huge weight change. Able to bang an hours cardio in before work, work 10-11 hour days, smash the gym, have a social life and all with a smile on my face.

just depends what you’re after I guess.
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How was your sex drive on ttm. I’ve only got to look at mast and my prostate swells up lol let alone feeling like having a wank every 5mins!
 
Run whatever tren dose you can manage without suffering from sides. Do the same with your test dose. 200mg of tren is my limit so I find with 500-750mg test I can function as a human. Switch it around and after 2 weeks I would feel like fcuking death, not be able to eat or sleep, have heartburn 24/7, be a complete Cnut and be very rapey.
 
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