10 Days Into 400mg Chiron Npp And Noticed Absolutely Nothing, Bunk Gear Or Way Too Early?

[Reacher]

honestly mate strikes me as you've got no idea what your doing
unreal expectations
waiting for something to happen....
a few days in and nothing....
10% bf aiming for a lean bulk, now you've put 1.5lbs on in 2 weeks and just upped cals 400 a day.
contradict yourself and not putting any 5hought to what's actually happening.
didn't wake up like Ronnie bunk gear well
bunk npp, test is fine ( says pharma so obvs real deal )
either sit tight and eat and train or fuck it off and buy some more pharma gear.

get some real expectations, what you going to grow on? fresh air ??

 

[pooley1810]

1.5lbs in 2 weeks
Wants to gain 10 in 12 weeks
1.5/2 = 0.75lbs
0.75*12 =9lbs

Sounds like you’re bang on track?

Again. You've admitted you’ve not used npp previously so have nothing to compare it to.
Not everyone experiences noticeable strength gains on npp or any other ped for that matter.

I used npp a couple of times, if anything I found it rather mild and noticed little beyond the ability to push a little harder in the gym, and even then only fractions noticeable after reviewing log books.

Spot on that
Hes on low dose test so really its only the npp that will have noticable effects
And 400mg isn't a huge amount
Npp causes little water retention so let's assume the weight gain is legit and progress continues then a 9lb gain after a cycle is very good
The success of a cycle and the gear used can only be judged at the end imo

 

[Mantis09]

1.5lbs in 2 weeks
Wants to gain 10 in 12 weeks
1.5/2 = 0.75lbs
0.75*12 =9lbs

Sounds like you’re bang on track?

Again. You've admitted you’ve not used npp previously so have nothing to compare it to.
Not everyone experiences noticeable strength gains on npp or any other ped for that matter.

I used npp a couple of times, if anything I found it rather mild and noticed little beyond the ability to push a little harder in the gym, and even then only fractions noticeable after reviewing log books.

Oh really? Always though npp/deca were considered to be great strength builders, along with test, dbol anadrol, superdrol and tren

 

[Mantis09]

honestly mate strikes me as you've got no idea what your doing
unreal expectations
waiting for something to happen....
a few days in and nothing....
10% bf aiming for a lean bulk, now you've put 1.5lbs on in 2 weeks and just upped cals 400 a day.
contradict yourself and not putting any 5hought to what's actually happening.
didn't wake up like Ronnie bunk gear well
bunk npp, test is fine ( says pharma so obvs real deal )
either sit tight and eat and train or fuck it off and buy some more pharma gear.

get some real expectations, what you going to grow on? fresh air ??

If you cant understand you're also an idiot.

-Looking to lean bulk.
-Didnt put on any weight initially
-Now put on 1.5 lbs just over 2 weeks in after having to increase cals more than i liked (which could very well be mainly fat due to noticebly more calories than usual and not the npp)
-No strength gains or any other noticeable effects

 

[Mantis09]

Spot on that
Hes on low dose test so really its only the npp that will have noticable effects
And 400mg isn't a huge amount
Npp causes little water retention so let's assume the weight gain is legit and progress continues then a 9lb gain after a cycle is very good
The success of a cycle and the gear used can only be judged at the end imo

Yeah, was avoiding water retention so stuck test at a low dose to have npp do the work. May throw in tbol or var at the end.

 

[Reacher]

lolol
yep I'm happy to be an idiot when there's fucking geniuses at work like you you fucking dullard

You had to increase cals more than you liked
and what, you put weight on 1.5lb in 2 weeks.
what does that tell you Einstein ?
what you liked was fucking retarded doesn't work bullshit wasn't it
I reiterate
You won't grow shit on fresh air.
You need to sit down with a book pal.

I'd start with the big red tractor if I was you, gonner be in for a long journey here.

 

[Reacher]

I'm out lol

it's not even funny anymore

 

[Porky]

Yeah, was avoiding water retention so stuck test at a low dose to have npp do the work. May throw in tbol or var at the end.

So by avoiding weight gained from water retention you've gained 1.5lb of lbm. Surely that's great going isn't it.
You've not posted up your diet and macros have you?

 

[Sjundea]

I'm out lol

it's not even funny anymore

Guys an arrogant little c.u.n.t.

 

[Sjundea]

So by avoiding weight gained from water retention you've gained 1.5lb of lbm. Surely that's great going isn't it.
You've not posted up your diet and macros have you?

Nor a pic of his physique.

 

[Porky]

He's not liked one single post that's been of help has he, yet has even admitted to weight gain after a small increase in cals.

Hope the cunt gets an abscess

 

[G-G]

Oh really? Always though npp/deca were considered to be great strength builders, along with test, dbol anadrol, superdrol and tren

Not everyone is created equal mate. I’ve ran deca and Tren at a decent dose and although my weights went up, they do that when training hard anyway. Off cycle they would only dip slightly (maybe 5% max off the top end) so, was it the gear? Or did the everything else I was doing have an effect too?

Deca tends to be classed as a good strength builder as it can lead to water / glycogen retention within muscles. It’s this action which creates the illusion of strength increase by changing the levers slightly. Also cuts down on the hammering joints can take so it makes you feel less beat up after a heavy workout which leads to pushing further.

Are you pushing out an extra rep or two on sets yet? An extra couple of percent weight on the bar? Or still doing exactly the same weights and reps as you were pre cycle?

If you’re expecting 10-20% plus jumps in weights or reps at this stage (or at all) then I’d say you need to re-evaluate your expectations. You said you’ve been training for a few years. So you’re not a newbie and with that comes the unfortunate situation that increases in strength and work capacity are not as easy to come by.

If you look at peds as a way to gain strength then you’re looking at it wrong. Look at it as a way to recover faster and better. But you still need to do the important things well.

You’re lean (if you’re at 10%) Id worry less about abbs and more about eating to fuel yourself. What you put in your face is the absolute driving factor the determines how big or otherwise you become.

Have you posted your workouts yet? Or an example of?

 

[G-G]

Infact. Have you progressed with weights/reps/work capacity within the last 3-6 months before this cycle?

 

[Proteinbrah]

if you 'feel' test E within 10 days.. it's probably lined with smack mate. because there's absolutely no fucking way you feel anything other than placebo (ie it's in your head)

even rip blends you'd never 'feel' in that short time, never mind actually see any physical changes (strength OR composition)

now add that he's on 400mg ffs.. it's very low dose for any kind of short 'aggressive' cycle.

my advice OP is stop using anything that you're not sure of.. pick another lab if need be, but i'll guarantee you're in the exact same situation as you are now. eventually you'll have to accept the gear was fine the whole time & look at addressing the actual issue/reason you're not progressing

Don’t be stupid now, where did I say physical changes?

I know I’m jabbing test within the first week, libido and sense of well being.

I’ve been doing this long enough to know placebo from reality mate

400mg low dose lol... ok then, 8x natty levels considered low

Dat you HG

 

[Proteinbrah]

I know that Chiron also have lab tests for all raws, they're not going to go to that trouble and not dose anything properly are they, esp npp considering it's peanuts

Not janoshik?