Diet Evolution - "The thoughts of Prodiver"

[Smitch]

i have mayo with everything!!! always have done

You making your own then Kez?

I told my missus i was going to make some and she reckons i'll get slamonella, she's also refused to eat any of it!

 

[Fatty]

Oh and I skip breakfast and it works for me so with u on that one

 

[SK-XO]

PD, a complex/slow carb such as the brown rice/whole pasta eaten pre-workout say 1 hr before, would this not BE beneficial as you would provide a slow steady stream of "energy" to the body for the hard workout that lies ahead, for example working out for one hour pretty intense this would work, where as taking simple carb/fast it would be used up pretty fast?

 

[SK-XO]

Also the skipping breakfast part I understand to a certain extent, but would it not BE wise to take say aminos on wake such as bcaa's or selection of others in water or something to prevent the body from catabolising? Then maybe 30-1 hr later eat breakfast?

 

[Fatty]

Also the skipping breakfast part I understand to a certain extent, but would it not BE wise to take say aminos on wake such as bcaa's or selection of others in water or something to prevent the body from catabolising? Then maybe 30-1 hr later eat breakfast?

It's doubtful that our bodies will catabolise in such a short period of time. We wasn't built to eat every few hours, our ancestors used to go days without food. Granted if you are a good size and require LOTS of calories then it would be more beneficial to have breakfast as SOME people wouldn't manage to get them calories in without starting the day with a decent meal. But it's not needed IMO

 

[SK-XO]

It's doubtful that our bodies will catabolise in such a short period of time. We wasn't built to eat every few hours, our ancestors used to go days without food. Granted if you are a good size and require LOTS of calories then it would be more beneficial to have breakfast as SOME people wouldn't manage to get them calories in without starting the day with a decent meal. But it's not needed IMO

Still our "ancestors" main goal wouldn't be to gain muscle mass with bodybuilding not in mind... So for us whos main goal would be to build and maximize muscle potential, or even maintain what we have got as well then nutrition timining is pretty essential I'd say. So assuming we average at least 8 hours of sleep, waking up from 8 hours of not eating within that time the body is dehydrated and pretty starved so wouldn't it make sense to put something in the tank? I personally said the form of aminos to stop the body taping into the muscle protein for nutrition?

 

[rekless]

BCCA's in the morning can't hurt IMO.

If you have them that is, not essetial to buy them soley for that purpose

 

[kez]

You making your own then Kez?

I told my missus i was going to make some and she reckons i'll get slamonella, she's also refused to eat any of it!

yeah have made a few batches of it when i can be bothered!!

 

[Prodiver]

PD, a complex/slow carb such as the brown rice/whole pasta eaten pre-workout say 1 hr before, would this not BE beneficial as you would provide a slow steady stream of "energy" to the body for the hard workout that lies ahead, for example working out for one hour pretty intense this would work, where as taking simple carb/fast it would be used up pretty fast?

It would be beneficial, if you weren't eating an appreciable amount of fat. Complex long-lasting carbs will only reduce your fat mobilizaton and use, which is the key to lean gains and good, stable long-term energy without hunger.

Fast carbs are useful for a quick, short pre-workout energy boost, after which your bodyfat takes over, and for creating an insulin spike PWO. Slow carbs make adjusting your energy intake have a high lag (hysteresis).

 

[Prodiver]

Also the skipping breakfast part I understand to a certain extent, but would it not BE wise to take say aminos on wake such as bcaa's or selection of others in water or something to prevent the body from catabolising? Then maybe 30-1 hr later eat breakfast?

Yes - some guys advocate some protein first thing, but no carbs.

Trouble is most protien shakes contain some carbs, and anyway you won't go into catabolism that quick.

 

[Prodiver]

I don't quite understand the benefit of fast carbs especially when mixed with high fat - won't that slow down the digestion of it anyway. A mars bar is quite high in fat - ur approach throws a major spanner in the works of my understanding of nutrition. Be interesting to learn more about the pros and cons between simple and complex carbs from ur point of view pd. I'm only questioning u to further my own knowledge, not doubting by any means.

Have a look back over this thread and Is bulking necessary to see what I'm saying.

 

[SK-XO]

It would be beneficial, if you weren't eating an appreciable amount of fat. Complex long-lasting carbs will only reduce your fat mobilizaton and use, which is the key to lean gains and good, stable long-term energy without hunger.

Fast carbs are useful for a quick, short pre-workout energy boost, after which your bodyfat takes over, and for creating an insulin spike PWO. Slow carbs make adjusting your energy intake have a high lag (hysteresis).

But then how can you ensure that the body taps into body fat and not into muscle? So you reckon for pre workout something such as a banana and apple would be better then the wholemeal pasta?

Yes - some guys advocate some protein first thing, but no carbs.

Trouble is most protien shakes contain some carbs, and anyway you won't go into catabolism that quick.

I usually have aminos and what not first thing on wake then 30 mins later eat my full breakfast.

 

[Fatty]

It would be beneficial, if you weren't eating an appreciable amount of fat. Complex long-lasting carbs will only reduce your fat mobilizaton and use, which is the key to lean gains and good, stable long-term energy without hunger.

Fast carbs are useful for a quick, short pre-workout energy boost, after which your bodyfat takes over, and for creating an insulin spike PWO. Slow carbs make adjusting your energy intake have a high lag (hysteresis).

I will have to have a read up, this is a different school of thought to what I'm used to. Is it possible to pick ur brain at a later date lol

 

[Prodiver]

Still our "ancestors" main goal wouldn't be to gain muscle mass with bodybuilding not in mind... So for us whos main goal would be to build and maximize muscle potential, or even maintain what we have got as well then nutrition timining is pretty essential I'd say. So assuming we average at least 8 hours of sleep, waking up from 8 hours of not eating within that time the body is dehydrated and pretty starved so wouldn't it make sense to put something in the tank? I personally said the form of aminos to stop the body taping into the muscle protein for nutrition?

It turns out not. According to recent research the body responds to evolved stimuli and is very receptive to protein uptake after gaps in feeding precisely because of fat mobilization and cortisol levels. Catabolism takes much longer to set in.

 

[Prodiver]

But then how can you ensure that the body taps into body fat and not into muscle? So you reckon for pre workout something such as a banana and apple would be better then the wholemeal pasta?



I usually have aminos and what not first thing on wake then 30 mins later eat my full breakfast.

Please, can we get away from the idea that your body will quickly lose muscle mass!

There's a big time-lag - several days after recovery from workout - before the body starts to reduce its muscle mass - and even longer if you eat enough protein.

If you continue to stress your muscles and eat enough protein your body will gain muscle mass using first your carbs and then your bodyfat as fuel. So it's always best to eat fast carbs rather than slow complex ones.

Some fast carbs pre-workout will give your a quick short energy boost after which your bodyfat will take over, so some fruit or a Mars bar is better than pasta.

The optimum time before breakfast seems to be an hour or more...