Jordan Peters 290 Pounds

[xjpx]

i tried one show this year without diruetics and it was hit and miss.... looked dry in the morning but hour by hour i was smoothing over.
I wasnt lean enough and the body just soaked up any available water, i was my fullest ever, but watery. Watchign leg cuts smooth over makes you want to cry lol.

how long would you say it took to stop water rebound and return to baseline?
if i use diazide i will rebound and only return to baseline 7 days later.
0.75 tab night before and 0.25 tab in the morning... could of omiited the tab in the morning but you know the head plays games with you.

Well I ran pretty much that , but half tab pm , half tab am. ( also shouldn't of had the am tab) and I think u can get away with that set up and be ok in 5-7 days. Defo if only have the pm 0.5-0.75 dyazide , the second hit in the am knocks sodium out that bit too hard imo and it's then just count down to fading and the ability to absorb food on show day drops low. I think you need to have faith that you will just keep getting drier and not touch that am dyazide. Even if you have over cooked ur carb up , just run fats only and the water will move for sure.

My issue was aldactone ontop, 3 days of it. I couldn't rehydrate for 10 days I'd say, maybe even longer. It's certainly a protocol I won't be looking to do again.

 

[Incredible Bulk]

Well I ran pretty much that , but half tab pm , half tab am. ( also shouldn't of had the am tab) and I think u can get away with that set up and be ok in 5-7 days. Defo if only have the pm 0.5-0.75 dyazide , the second hit in the am knocks sodium out that bit too hard imo and it's then just count down to fading and the ability to absorb food on show day drops low. I think you need to have faith that you will just keep getting drier and not touch that am dyazide. Even if you have over cooked ur carb up , just run fats only and the water will move for sure.

My issue was aldactone ontop, 3 days of it. I couldn't rehydrate for 10 days I'd say, maybe even longer. It's certainly a protocol I won't be looking to do again.

show day i took the AM tab, had nothing but fats and protein in the lead up to the show hour.
One hour out i wolfed down some salted crisps and rice cakes and the skin shrink wrapped to the muscles. Horrific rebound from that though...
maaaaan, aldactone on top??? how did you plan to get a pump, its an anti-andorgen? Aldactone leaves me so flat, i once ran a stupid amount of it to discover that even if i did 100 pushups there was no chance of a pump. Is you plan to come in so full that the pump isnt needed as much?

id prefer to run a HCTZ without triamterene and eat a handful of dried apricots etc than run an anti androgen to combat the non potassium sparring properties

 

[Jim]

Aldactone is ok IF you dnt cut water...
You can stay pretty full and get a pump as long as your carb up was pretty aggressive...
But it is hard to fill up on iv found.

Thing is if you cut water and go flat there is no coming back lol

Diazide the safest option imo with regards to fuck ups...
Go flat, add sodium and drink a bit more...

Sodium
I only ever cut sodium if that's all I'm doing...
I'll never cut sodium if I wanted to use aldactone or diazide...

Aldactazide is ok too

I think some ppl run aldactone and Aldactazide longer then needed
3 days would have been spot on imo if there was no diazide on top

The diazide would have been spot on if no if there was no aldactone...
Lol

Live n learn...
Iv made so many fuck ups in the past its un real...
But I think it's the best way to learn...

So jp did you actually go hospital?
They need to put you on a drip?
What was Paul on about?
We all know he's loosing his marbles with old age.

 

[xjpx]

Aldactone is ok IF you dnt cut water...
You can stay pretty full and get a pump as long as your carb up was pretty aggressive...
But it is hard to fill up on iv found.

Thing is if you cut water and go flat there is no coming back lol

Diazide the safest option imo with regards to fuck ups...
Go flat, add sodium and drink a bit more...

Sodium
I only ever cut sodium if that's all I'm doing...
I'll never cut sodium if I wanted to use aldactone or diazide...

Aldactazide is ok too

I think some ppl run aldactone and Aldactazide longer then needed
3 days would have been spot on imo if there was no diazide on top

The diazide would have been spot on if no if there was no aldactone...
Lol

Live n learn...
Iv made so many fuck ups in the past its un real...
But I think it's the best way to learn...

So jp did you actually go hospital?
They need to put you on a drip?
What was Paul on about?
We all know he's loosing his marbles with old age.

I agree with everything there buddy

I did go, I thought it smart just because I knew my electrolytes where all over the place so just a check on those to be sure was wise. I didn't want to make a big deal of it , as it wasn't a big deal, just me being doubley sure I was all ok , plus Corinne would of absolutely kicked me ass if I didn't go, she is on my case hard atm to make sure I'm as healthy as can be.
On another cool note I just shared her pic on my Ig. This is the main reason my legs have improved so much, because hers are just getting retarded

 

[Pscarb]

you know my thoughts of having you in my corner. I have spent the last week re reading the fortitude training e book ( I strongly advise everyone get this, it is actually really good value so I'm certain everyone can afford it no problem) and the book just reminds you again exactly what builds muscle , don't get caught up in all the Bs, the science of hypertrophy is explained so well. What I talked about for my approach to hamstrings using cluster sets is taken from fortitude training. So I defo advise everyone has a read . If the book does seem a bit overwhelming in terms of how to them actually set up the training , Scott sells the Virgin Voyage plan which is the plan them set up and written ready for you to follow, so again I advise getting this. I just bought the no show no go variation to see how he moves things around to prioritise body parts which is super smart

totally agree it is a great system one that i have gone back to and one that i get the most questions about after people read my social media posts about it, @Scott Stevenson is a great guy certainly the go to guy for knowledge.......

gutted to not see you walking backstage on saturday buddy........hope to see you back on stage soon recovered and shredded....

 

[Jared]

one of the best threads on TM.

It only took a few people making negative comments about JP's health to get him posting again... And not even in text speak!!! At least from now on we know how to entice you back

On a serious note though, and since you guys mentioned it, a question for JP, Paul and Scott: The Fortitude Training principles, "book just reminds you again exactly what builds muscle, don't get caught up in all the Bs, the science of hypertrophy is explained so well", do these apply equally to a non assisted, armature/enthusiast trainer as they would to you guys? Thanks.

 

[Jim]

It only took a few people making negative comments about JP's health to get him posting again... And not even in text speak!!! At least from now on we know how to entice you back

On a serious note though, and since you guys mentioned it, a question for JP, Paul and Scott: The Fortitude Training principles, "book just reminds you again exactly what builds muscle, don't get caught up in all the Bs, the science of hypertrophy is explained so well", do these apply equally to a non assisted, armature/enthusiast trainer as they would to you guys? Thanks.

I think you'd need loads of gear tbh mate
Lol

 

[Scott Stevenson]

you know my thoughts of having you in my corner. I have spent the last week re reading the fortitude training e book ( I strongly advise everyone get this, it is actually really good value so I'm certain everyone can afford it no problem) and the book just reminds you again exactly what builds muscle , don't get caught up in all the Bs, the science of hypertrophy is explained so well. What I talked about for my approach to hamstrings using cluster sets is taken from fortitude training. So I defo advise everyone has a read . If the book does seem a bit overwhelming in terms of how to them actually set up the training , Scott sells the Virgin Voyage plan which is the plan them set up and written ready for you to follow, so again I advise getting this. I just bought the no show no go variation to see how he moves things around to prioritise body parts which is super smart

Thanks for the mention, my friend.

(And I agree - Stiff legged DL's will knock you on your f'in' ass!)

If your truly lean you don't need them imo ( I had chats with Scott about this the last few days, he has written a great article that is on his site I believe or is on Johns MD site , on getting full and dry without diuretics , so defo something to look at for everyone , but what underpins that process is being truly truly shredddded)

Yes, it's over on John Meadow's site (a 2 parter). I get questions on that a good bit and a lot of folks taking that info, running with it and making it work. There's an Italian coach - Gabrielle Trapani - who uses it with all of his athletes.

totally agree it is a great system one that i have gone back to and one that i get the most questions about after people read my social media posts about it, @Scott Stevenson is a great guy certainly the go to guy for knowledge........

Thanks, Paul! (A lot of people use that Family man plan, too, BTW...)

On a serious note though, and since you guys mentioned it, a question for JP, Paul and Scott: The Fortitude Training principles, "book just reminds you again exactly what builds muscle, don't get caught up in all the Bs, the science of hypertrophy is explained so well", do these apply equally to a non assisted, armature/enthusiast trainer as they would to you guys? Thanks.

Oh, hell yes. In fact, I'd say that taking a "smarter" approach (like this) is more important for someone who's unassisted.

The training system has three volume tiers to adapt the program to your level of recovery. Ironically, I've had more natural guys use the higher volume Tiers than those who are high level competitors, I'd say. Some of that is simply b/c of the numbers (more natural guys doing FT, as least going by my feedback and logs on my board) as as that guys like Jordan and Paul can push their limits so much that a lower volume tier is sometimes necessary. One of the beta-testers for the program was barely surviving Tier I, and he was a former WWE wrestler and had won his class at Canadian Nationals (or at least top 3). A monster of a guy that could training like a mad man. OTOH, there is a smaller natural competitor who would / could train with Tier III. He's got samoan / islander genetics and ridiculous genetics.

So, yes, the program is adjustable to the individual, which was very much by design

-S

 

[Jared]

I think you'd need loads of gear tbh mate
Lol

Maybe it was a silly question, I don't know. I do imagine recovery times and so on are very different between the 2, so I was eluding to the frequency/volume/intensity ratios that it would encourage. But like I say, obviously a silly question.

 

[Jared]

Thanks for the mention, my friend.

(And I agree - Stiff legged DL's will knock you on your f'in' ass!)



Yes, it's over on John Meadow's site (a 2 parter). I get questions on that a good bit and a lot of folks taking that info, running with it and making it work. There's an Italian coach - Gabrielle Trapani - who uses it with all of his athletes.



Thanks, Paul! (A lot of people use that Family man plan, too, BTW...)



Oh, hell yes. In fact, I'd say that taking a "smarter" approach (like this) is more important for someone who's unassisted.

The training system has three volume tiers to adapt the program to your level of recovery. Ironically, I've had more natural guys use the higher volume Tiers than those who are high level competitors, I'd say. Some of that is simply b/c of the numbers (more natural guys doing FT, as least going by my feedback and logs on my board) as as that guys like Jordan and Paul can push their limits so much that a lower volume tier is sometimes necessary. One of the beta-testers for the program was barely surviving Tier I, and he was a former WWE wrestler and had won his class at Canadian Nationals (or at least top 3). A monster of a guy that could training like a mad man. OTOH, there is a smaller natural competitor who would / could train with Tier III. He's got samoan / islander genetics and ridiculous genetics.

So, yes, the program is adjustable to the individual, which was very much by design

-S

Thanks for this, that's great!

 

[Jim]

Maybe it was a silly question, I don't know. I do imagine recovery times and so on are very different between the 2, so I was eluding to the frequency/volume/intensity ratios that it would encourage. But like I say, obviously a silly question.

Na not really
I was just being a cock hahaha

 

[Jared]

Na not really
I was just being a cock hahaha

Yea I know but I didn't want to call you out on it directly cause you're too popular on this forum

 

[Scott Stevenson]

Maybe it was a silly question, I don't know. I do imagine recovery times and so on are very different between the 2, so I was eluding to the frequency/volume/intensity ratios that it would encourage. But like I say, obviously a silly question.

You know, obviously gear helps out here, but there are many things that can slide the scale of recovery in different directions, especially when you look across a wide range of folks.

A guy on gear training each and every day like his life depends on it, but also working a physically demanding job with tough / long hours and eating a poor diet many not recover as well as a gifted natty.

-S

 

[Jim]

Yea I know but I didn't want to call you out on it directly cause you're too popular on this forum

Hahahaha
So you seen me get voted cunt of month 12 times a yr then

 

[fitdog]

Just seen anew pic of Jordan 7-9 weeks out looks immense!