cycle help

[MLK]

looking for some tips for designing my next cycle, any input will be much appreciated.

first a bit of cycle history...

first aas cycle was last year, i did winny only at 50mg and gained very well. instead of doing pct i went straight on a 10 week test only 500mg pw cycle. didn't gain nearly as well on this, don't think it was enough of a progression and all of my lifts were stalling. about 6 weeks in i upped test to 800mg. this made a big difference, started hitting new pb's again. also did about 10 days of tren ace at 100mg eod. had a 10ml vial but got an abscess hence why i stopped the tren early. tren was very good in the very short time i ran it.

so, what would be a good progression from this cycle? i'm thinking 750 test, 300 tren? (really not sure about tren dose ). was gonna do test tren mast but heard mast isn't worth running at low doses. will be doing a 4 week dbol kickstart this time at 50mg/day.

not keen on the tren sides but i love the strength gains. is there anything that can come close to replacing it without the sides? i didn't get night sweats or get aggressive i just felt ****e and hot and out of breath all the time.

thanks

 

[Hilly]

I would say 750mg test alone would do fine however if you wanted to you could add in 300mg eq or deca or throw some dbols in at 30mg a day

 

[MLK]

cheers hilly mate. well i was convinced on first injectable that all i needed was test and that i would gain very well off 500mg pw. i'm sure i would have if i had not just run winny cycle. 750mg test would surely be the best choice from health and wallet point of view. just don't want to get half way through my cycle not having gained much again! i know if i add in tren too i will make awesome gains right from the getgo (diet and training will be spot on as always of course). maybe more aas than necessary, yeah, and not the healthiest option, but i'd rather take a bit too much than take too little and be disappointed with my gains...if you can see where i am coming from after what i experienced on last cycle.

i'm not gonna run deca just cos of all the stories i hear about it being super-suppressive and shutting guys down hard.

would you expect good results from 300mg tren? might do more like 600 test 300 tren?

 

[Hilly]

your whole apporach to hormone use is wrong. if you are half way thru a cycle with 750mg test and havnt gained well then ure diet is ****e nothing to do with not having tren. However i will take that back if you can explain me to me exactly how adding in 300mg tren but keeping everything else the same would equal so much more gains?

also for your info tren is just as if not more suppresive than deca.

however as your heart is set on it obviously you will gain on 750mg test and 300mg tren and if your not arsed about your health then why not run 600mg tren. i mean you obviously think more drugs equal more gains. god knows how i have gained 24lb since october on 750mg test and 250mg eq

 

[MLK]

not claiming to know a lot about aas, far from it. more drugs IMO does equal better gains TO AN EXTENT, and obviously not the healthiest approach i know this.

i can assure you my diet and training are good. protein is 300-350g/day, cals are around 4500 (bulking) and i train like my life depends on it. but yeah i agree if i wasn't gaining on 750mg test something would be wrong, so was stupid to say that, but i was thinking with some tren in the mix i'd gain better. really cannot explain why i did not gain well on first 5-6 weeks of test 500mg. i gained great on winny only 50mg only.

sorry for rubbing you up the wrong way...

yeah i know tren is very suppressive but i heard deca's more suppresive, and it stays in your system much longer. is eq as suppressive as deca? i know it's a similar compound.

you say my approach/attitude to aas is all wrong. i would rather do a SHIC type 10 week cycle and make rapid gains with the likes of 750 test, 300-400 tren for say 10 weeks (i am aware shic's are shorter) then come the fvck off for a few months, than stay on for much longer on just test and make more steady gains over a longer period of time.

you say my heart is set... it's not. i'm willing to be educated and may well change my mind. i think i will probably run tren but maybe lower the test to 600 and only run the tren for 6 out of the 10 weeks as it's suppresive and to allow it to clear as it takes longer to clear than test.

 

[Hilly]

if thats the way you want to run it i would run

weeks 1-10 - 600mg test e
week 2-7 - tren ace 75/100mg mon/wed/fri

then im sure you dont need me to mention pct.

you didnt rub me the wrong way at all pal. was just stating that for you to think you wouldnt gain on 750mg test is ludacris. however your thoughts that more gear equals more gains is correct.

altho my opinion is i have now hit 224lb on less gear than ure going to use or the same and i reckon i can hit 230 using the same altho granted my bf is a little higher than i would like and if i had thrown in more gear or tren i may be a little leaner but then my blood results etc may not be so good and i no were my priorities lie.

I help and advise some guys that use 3g per week and dont make gains any better than i do or other guys i help using less they just stay leaner but they also dont get there bloods checked.

once you decide were priorities lie in regards to your health(which is always the restriciting factor in my advice) then you can make decisions from there.

I apoligise for not just giving you a straight answere in saying more gear equals more gains. sometimes i should realise my own apporach is not every1's

all the best for your cycle

 

[MLK]

if thats the way you want to run it i would run

weeks 1-10 - 600mg test e
week 2-7 - tren ace 75/100mg mon/wed/fri

then im sure you dont need me to mention pct.

you didnt rub me the wrong way at all pal. was just stating that for you to think you wouldnt gain on 750mg test is ludacris. however your thoughts that more gear equals more gains is correct.

altho my opinion is i have now hit 224lb on less gear than ure going to use or the same and i reckon i can hit 230 using the same altho granted my bf is a little higher than i would like and if i had thrown in more gear or tren i may be a little leaner but then my blood results etc may not be so good and i no were my priorities lie.

I help and advise some guys that use 3g per week and dont make gains any better than i do or other guys i help using less they just stay leaner but they also dont get there bloods checked.

once you decide were priorities lie in regards to your health(which is always the restriciting factor in my advice) then you can make decisions from there.

I apoligise for not just giving you a straight answere in saying more gear equals more gains. sometimes i should realise my own apporach is not every1's

all the best for your cycle

thanks mate

what do you think on eq then? you obviously like it if you use it but can you give me more detail? no idea what it's like

your plan looks good i can understand why you said to use ace, but would it be much better than using enth? i know it would take longer to kick in and longer to clear but it would still be cleared before test if i stop at week 7. only reason i ask is cos i think enth is considerably cheaper from my source! aswell as price, jab frequency is another issue, i'm not scared of jabbing or anything, it's just a hassle. but if you think ace would be worth the extra cash i'll do it!

 

[Hilly]

when i say i help and advise that doesnt mean they listen to me. what it means is they use more but dont get any majorly better results for it compared to the cost and harm they do to their bodies. they may gain a tad more(altho rarely) but they all stay leaner. I just dont think there is a need to take so much extra gear just to stay leaner personally.

ram i like Eq alot. if you want to know more about the drug then read up on it learn about it. it increases your rbc which means more nutrients round the body. this seems like something a bodybuilder would want to me.

regarding using tren enan over ace. the proble is if you canot handle the sides then your stuck with them for a couple of weeks. this does happen with certain people on occasion.

 

[soulkeeper]

"really cannot explain why i did not gain well on first 5-6 weeks of test 500mg"
Because Test E does not work straight away, For me it will take a good 5 weeks to start noticeing any gains, So not being patient enough is your only problem mate!

 

[soulkeeper]

And you really should not be running Tren in your first injectable cycle either IMO.