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What to take Post Workout

thanks for all the many replies, i think this is something that a lot of people think about.

It just shows how a lot of peoples thoughts are different on this one.

sorry to keep it going, DTLV.......so there is no NEED for carbs post workout. im looking to maximise the gains and was under the IMPRESSION carbs post workout with a fast acting protein will assist....

really appreciated everyone. :thumbup1:

Carbs post workout won't do any harm, and will increase insulin more than just protein... while this is a more anabolic environment in theory, most studies don't show any benefit transfering into long term muscle gains. Some do show a very slight increase in the immediate PWO period, but most studies actually dont.

I like carbs PWO when I'm very active though - not because I think I gain any better but because I feel like I recover faster in the hours afterwards (less tired, more get up and go etc).
 
I get waht you are saying completely - that the net protein balance is determined by the average of multiple anabolic and catabolic processes. EAAs are primarily anabolic, and their ingestion maximises the anabolic response at about 0.1g per kg bodyweight. However, once the dose goes up to 0.2g per kg or beyond, plasma elevations of EAAs remain elevated more significantly and for longer (beyond the refractory rate), and become anticatabolic for around three hours - easily enough time to keep catabolism away until your next meal.

In respect of anticatabolism, if not taking any protein at all, even carbs will help here. Remember catabolism is about increasing blood glucose levels to make up for the increased oxidation occuring within the muscle, and since the body wants to spare its own glucose stores at this time, this is achieved primarily by breaking down glucogenic proteins (and recyling things like lactate and pyruvate etc but that's not relevant here) - but there are two ways around this, take in the very aminos that would otherwise be oxidised at a greater rate (EAAs) or to take carbs to provide the glucose direct.

Milk, or mixed casein and whey powders, are fine though - they defintely work enough to tip the net response into overall anabolism. From comparing various studies though using a whole range of workout supplemet protocols, my own view (which is not just my theory but pretty much based on the studies and conclusions of sports nutrition researchers like Tipton, Childs, Kravitz, Rasmussen (my fab four!)) is that EAAs are the 'most efficient' supplement or nutritional protocol, especially taken pre rather than post. There is room for growth in theory though, and it's not (to my mind) ironclad just yet - just the one that makes most sense to me.

Note I said 'most effcient' rather than 'most effective' - many other protocols are equally effective, they are just less efficient, and require higher quantities to do the same job. Also, compared to EAAs some other protocols have more potential negatives for certain people (intolerance to lactose, and beta lactoalbumin intolerance in milk products for example).

Btw, I do like casein and whey (or other combos of fast and slow proteins) combined for shakes at other times - is just around the workout where I think EAAs have the win!


Taking the above into account, if you're not overly concerned about calories then why not just substitute the EAA for whey? I take your point that on an absolute gram for gram basis that EAA are more effective, but they're certainly a lot more expensive than plain old whey protein concentrate, and if it doesn't cause any stomach discomfort then there are also some other beneficial fractions to whey (EAA content aside).

From personal experience I haven't noticed any tangible differences from Aminos, to whey, to just food around workouts.
 
Honestly I don't think any differences are that huge provided the main things are taken care of - ie adaquate protein intake, calories that match your current goals etc... is when diet is otherwise inadaquate that the differences start to become apparent.

I find that of all the protocols I've tried, pre workout EAAs (with a few other bits) is what seems to work best for me, and while I believe that there's plenty of room for flexibility in how daily food intake is spaced, the one feed I would never miss now is my workout drink.

Happy to accept others have different experiences though.
 
well really appreciate everyones contribution.....some good stuff here!!

a lot to take on board
 
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