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GH15- cycle for the poor body builder?

nigalwayne said:
Been DCIng a while now and it's like any training regime,progressively loading(adding more weight or reps)each week finally takes it toll on the body(irrespective of assistance),I've just swapped to 4 day regime(2 full workouts,2half workouts)because going full at it each session makes it really hard for the body to recover in time for the next workout.


All my lifts have improved for more weight/reps(dc style-rest/paused)but at the end of the day you can only go so far with it.


Think I might just give the GH15 cycle a whirl for summer,see if I can continue to gain,but at some point I think we all need to wind it down a bit,there's a big difference being a recreational bodybuilder/weight trainer vs top amateur/pro BBer.
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Doggcrapp followers would hang me for drawing any HIT comparisons even though theres alot ,even DY suggests deload periods now etc ,I do think the "beat the logbook" mentality sometimes sets you up for a fall ,great when it's working til you have a wank day ,your own bodily instinct after training a couple of years will usually give you fair warning of what to expect ,if you feel beat up before you already started don't beat a dead horse but still get the job done.


The constant rest pause ,negs etc ,I just don't believe you even need to do that all the time to progress unless you are super advanced but then I love volume as then you know the job is done regardless .


Arnie used to wing it I know but he employed "high intensity" techniques and volume training and he didn't need to rest 4 days a week to grow .


Stil....I'm far from advanced so things can change I admit.


& sorry Nigel isn't aimed at you mate ,I'm over on IM too and have read alot there also.
 
No you need to do the routine to experience the pro's & cons,deload weeks although advocated.realistically how many people are gonna have a 2 week period away from the gym(not me), changing exercises when progress stalls,WELL after a few years of training there comes a point when their ain't many exercises left to progress on or change to.


From doing DC the body part that has benefited most is the legs(most improved body part),the reason a mix of both heavy,low reps & lighter/higher reps.


You really need to do a bit of everything during the year to continue to make progress,there is no holy grail routine out there,regardless of assistance and like you say Ethan,there's no point walking about in a battered body,today I couldn't even bend down to pick a fiver up I'd dropped,so being motivated for the next workout becomes even harder and as a result 100%effort or beating the logbook becomes counter productive.


The agony we endure to look in good nick,assistance,fad cycles,bodybuilding forums is only a small part of the picture,without the determination,we might aswell stay at home and have a nice hot cocoa,you have to take your hat of to the top10% BBers,but over time the wear & tear even catches up with them.
 
depends on your life and what you want from it.


I do this thing for fun, nowt else, never will.


It's mindset/mindfuck stuff, keep reading, keep wanting more and more....then what?


It's like trying to be a professional golfer, there are certain steps inbetween 1-10 that are unavoidable....to become pro you cannot skip 23456789. The problem with 99% of people in this game want to jump from 1 or 2 straight up to 10 without the effort and think stuffing as much pish into themselves will give them something they havent really even stopped to think. Most of the principles behind it are fundamentally the same. Replicated, regurgitated and reinvented time after fucking time.


Honestly, since i got involved in this "sport" a few years back, iv'e never come across so much pish and lies in my life.
 
I know i say it alot but....


old schoolers didnt have half this shit or run things anything like this. Its bull shit to me. Just marketing bullshit to make themselves stand out, sell more shit.


Keep it simple, look like arnie. Sort of...
 
Slight of hand said:
depends on your life and what you want from it.


I do this thing for fun, nowt else, never will.


It's mindset/mindfuck stuff, keep reading, keep wanting more and more....then what?


It's like trying to be a professional golfer, there are certain steps inbetween 1-10 that are unavoidable....to become pro you cannot skip 23456789. The problem with 99% of people in this game want to jump from 1 or 2 straight up to 10 without the effort and think stuffing as much pish into themselves will give them something they havent really even stopped to think. Most of the principles behind it are fundamentally the same. Replicated, regurgitated and reinvented time after fucking time.


Honestly, since i got involved in this "sport" a few years back, iv'e never come across so much pish and lies in my life.
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Well said fella,think some people need to realize that for the majority of us 'it's a recreational thing',my friend competes and is sponsored by the supplement companies,competing dosnt actually cost him any money,but if he don't place well,the sponsors would drop him fast,and just go with somebody else,the amount of pressure he is under at certain times of the year is immense and most certainly not something I'd be prepared for,his commitment is immense,but his team wouldn't post up his pharmacological plan for all to see and follow???
 
He's not writing advise on how to look Like arnie though, 6ft 1 @ 220lb was he at his heaviest? Probably achievable with much less, fvck, give me a few more years doing what I'm doing now and I reckon i could hit that, I wouldn't look like arnie Of course but just talking in terms of numbers


His cycle is explicit to making it today as a modern pro... And doing it quickly, this is all geared towards mutation and The shitty, balloon look you see nowadays So his advice is Aimed towards achieving that.


Ask him how to hit Arnold's size and stay there and I'm sure gear wise his answer would be different and much simpler... Still reckon they used hgh back in the 70's though, maybe not as widespread or at the same doses but I'll bet it was there
 
dont see his crazy cycle is any better than 2-3g of test/tren/mast pw though


2g of test and hgh will prob do wonders on its own
 
Yeah but you'll bloat up to fvck and struggle to train on 2g test,... Plus the BP, issues, acne..


Not a good look is it.


1g test, 900 eq, tren and mast is a different story.


Only way you'll know is by just doing it, I've gone high test, felt and looked shit, gone Low test, looked good but didn't feel great. So i stay somewhere in the middle


Try everything see how you get on, we're all different.


He isn't saying 'THIS IS IT' this is just the way he advises to go about it while maintaining condition and looking like a bodybuilder.
 
thought you said hgh helped with bloat on test mate?


Just seems extreme and over thought. Then again it may be bang on.


Would be interested in hearing of results
 
Yeah it helps but it's still there mate, it's not as bad as its not as bad on the subq side of things as it would be without.


Basically I'd be hesitant to go high on test again as I don't see the point but if I did it would only be with hgh in there, never without.


It's just not for me, I was getting hairs where I never thought possible, greasy as fuck and just looked crap, 1.5g with 10iu of growth was more aesthetic but I was leaner anyway, there's still a fair bit of retention there, obviously never been higher than that with hgh or even higher with hgh at all so I cant say how it is at higher doses but I'd hazard a guess it'd be much worse.


I honestly don't think is extreme if you look at the guys he's talking about and lets face it, how many of us on this site are 210-220lbs at 6%? And we're all pretty switched on to things and how to do things and most of us are on year round so that says it all doesn't it?


This is for the guys who want to do nothing in life but compete, bodybuilding is their life.


I'm gonna run a similar one but still have the occasional beer and enjoy life.... But I've got no doubt in my mind if I scrapped having a life, trained like fvck, ate like fvck and ran that cycle I could hit that figure in a year, maybe a little more. As could most of us.


That's my take on it anyway, it's for the no lifers to follow if they want to gain a pro card or nonce around on stage.


Or just if you're me or Ethan and fancy a massive drugs binge to see what happens.....
 
Coincidentally, his latest post


1,, we rely on drugs and LOTS of them to carry us through our bodybuilding life


2,, we do NOT rely on over the counter suplements ,, its useless ,, we NEVER use them


3,, we all in constant usage of legit gh ,, always pharma grade level or very close to it as in extremly good generics which are close to or in kigtropin case ,,not the bunk,, is equivalent to pharma grade,, this is importent to remember ,, WE RELY HEAVILY ON HGH


4,, we always use insulina with the gh to get to the heavy numbers AND ALSO LOOK like heavy numbers...some fellas may be 230lb but they do not look it ....when you are on gh and insulina together YOU LOOK IT ,, and by that i mean you look like rubber doll but! 230lb rubber doll or 250 lb rubber doll or 270 lb rubber doll,,


5,, we never describe exact doses for we dont want you to know how to get there ...as simple as that,, bodybuilders are all drugs ,, ALL DRUGS,, you have smaller liars and bigger liars,, a liar like bobie chikarelo will lie and say he turned profesional while clean ...this isa lie that can be digested eventhough a lie...then thee is a liar like liar priest...who completely say black lies that are deep rooted in socio behavior and apatic and misleading just for the sake of creating aura around himself,, so there are few kinds of liars in the npc and ifbb but! they ALL lie


6,, we never do anything beside changing products,, the products always aiming at giving us best condition aka highest quality products which bring me again to the hgh ....we always need the lines...NO LINES = NO MONEY MAKING see trey lunch the kido who quit bodybuild for he didnt knwo what he was doing


7,, many of ifbb andnpc are dealers and actual chefs and personal cookers,, many are also NARCOTIC ADDICTS AND CAME FROM NARCOTIC BACKROUNDS,, they are groink from getbig only took it into competetive level which he didnt due to many reasons with him mainly not enough musculatory development ,, but they are all same ...dealers..and actual cookers who been in the cult for 10s over 10s of years selling everything


8,, we are not all strong,, the strogn among us are the true bodybuilders,, but majority of us are NOT strong ,, we are good in taking hormones ,, responding to them well ,, and not getting sick from taking lot of hormones


9,, you will never get anywhere by talking to us face to face,, we are selfish ,, nacsistic ,, many of them will not let anything disturb them in their bodybuilding...you saw what hapened when there is emotional fella ...jason and his dog...you saw what happened...he lost his olympia he went a mess and fuck up in few things coudnt make it ,, you cant be emotional in bodybuild and you cant pretend you are not...jason is emotional he just pretend he is not...he lost title ,, you just cant do nothing other than bodybuild if you want to be the best ,, its cruel but this is how it is ,, i dont knwo too many fellas who can be like htis this is why many of them dont do it ,,how can you just go passed death ,, or sickness of relatve and continue like nothing is going on? many bodybuilders do ...


10,, the ones who claim to use the least! use the most! ....the one who claim to use the most! use the least! they do it out of show off they just wnt to brag but in reality they dont use anything remotely to what the top uses and also look like the dose they use ,,this is rule of thumb


11,, we live in a VERY dark world,, you have no clue on this world,, IT IS DARK,, very few know it besdie a dog maybe and ourselfs


gh15 approved
 
think i may give it a whilr at some point.


Altho i will just pin 50mg tren per day and wont have the test so high when it comes in towards the end
 
Slight of hand said:
Honestly, since i got involved in this "sport" a few years back, iv'e never come across so much pish and lies in my life.
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Gets on your tits after a while doesn't it?

Deads said:
old schoolers didnt have half this shit or run things anything like this. Its bull shit to me. Just marketing bullshit to make themselves stand out, sell more shit.
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Totally agree.

I can't see why this "person" / username is the new black, I honestly can't.


The contradictions & backtracking / u-turns in his advice is ridiculous. Avoid EQ, because "it is for horses, not peopleona", use pharma only....hell, he's saying in this article that you should use Nordic only, yet is famous for rubber stamping cheap 'n nasty Chinese crap & now saying you must use trenbolona ace blah blah.


Don't watse money on go faster supps: regular gear users on forums who have never competed have been saying this for years, it's pissing in the wind versus gear is a very old saying on forums.


Get lean before bulking: again, nothing new on forums.


Basic compounds: lol, revoluitionary indeed.


So somoen, break it down for me & my cynical nature: show me what's new here. No copy & pastes of his threads, just brief synopisis of what he advocates that hundreds of regular guys on forums haven't been saying for years.


Not interested in hearing how pro X claims this or that about his own useage& it's obvious bullshit (either in your or gh15's opinion) because it's irrelevant, because there's no evidence that this guy / username is a pro anyway.
 
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