american death penalty

[hsmann87]

I sure don't have the right to kill another man.
Don't see that dressing things up as authority conveys that right either.
Heat of the moment battles - death during a burglary - regrettable but understandable.
Calmly calculating the death of another via the death penalty - way to go civilisation.
If it *had* to be done, then shoot them, using a marksman (or 10 to keep guilt low).
Don't go for death by injection using a cocktail that might or might not work as it's intended to - that's just fucking lame.

agree with the 10 marksmen thing

but you say u dont have a right to kill another man - but what if the other man has committed multiple atrocities and affected hundreds (if not thousands) of lives such as Peter Sutcliffe or Jack the Ripper?

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then youve got the whole thing about what is the difference between execution and the fact that the US and Allies have tons of soldiers out in various middle eastern regions right now slaughtering loads of innocents?

 

[Beast]

Yes i agree with the death penalty but it should only be a sentence for certain crimes such as crimes against children, mass murder and the like.
Always makes me laugh in disbelief when some of these full of remorse guys on death row give you the sob story and repentance, most are so cold and calculating that it's almost certain that they would commit similar acts again if they ever got out. Do you seriously think monsters like Charles Manson, Peter Sutcliff, Peter Tobin or Robert Black would go back to normal life?
As for the method, hanging, guillotine or death by firing squad have all been proved to work, are very quick and very cheap (5.56mm rounds in Eastern Europe are around 7p each at the moment!) All this fucking about with injections or gas is quite frankly ridiculous and about the most inhuman way to be put down imo.
Also makes me wonder whether Saville, harris and the endless list of despicable human garbage would have had second thoughts about their crimes if they knew getting caught would end up with a long drop to the end of a rope?

 

[Kaotik]

Good, I'm pleased he suffered. All scum should be killed IMO.

 

[scott64]

Good, I'm pleased he suffered. All scum should be killed IMO.

@Kaotik that's one point of view mate but what about the way he died even though he was a double murderer did he deserve to suffer that long.....now and I am just being devils advocate here does that not make us as bad as him ....now I know my view on the matter which is irrelevant at the moment but shouldn't we make the death of a convicted killer as quick as possible

 

[Kaotik]

@Kaotik that's one point of view mate but what about the way he died even though he was a double murderer did he deserve to suffer that long.....now and I am just being devils advocate here does that not make us as bad as him ....now I know my view on the matter which is irrelevant at the moment but shouldn't we make the death of a convicted killer as quick as possible

I see it like this - he murdered 2 people. I'm willing to bet they suffered before dying, their families will have suffered, they probably had years left in them (the 29 year old woman he killed at least) to enjoy their lives but this scumbag robbed them of that. Why should he go peacefully?

That doesn't make us as bad is him, he got what he deserved. His victims didn't.

 

[scott64]

but what gives another human being the right to take someones life....I know murderers do all the time but are we not the same then if we condone the death penalty if we WANT them to suffer .....if the death penalty is right why not make it a sure thing firing squad the guillotine or the gas chamber. why inject someone with a substance they KNEW wasn't 100%

 

[niftyfifty]

but what gives another human being the right to take someones life....I know murderers do all the time but are we not the same then if we condone the death penalty if we WANT them to suffer .....if the death penalty is right why not make it a sure thing firing squad the guillotine or the gas chamber. why inject someone with a substance they KNEW wasn't 100%

@scott64

Agree with your general point, but do we know for certain that they did 'inject someone with a substance they KNEW wasn't 100%' or did they suspect it would be and the substance 'failed to deliver'? Just wondering ....

 

[OldMember]

Agree with your general point, but do we know for certain that they did 'inject someone with a substance they KNEW wasn't 100%' or did they suspect it would be and the substance 'failed to deliver'? Just wondering ....

I watched this video the other day which is in line with what you're saying:

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Crazy.

 

[scott64]

@scott64

Agree with your general point, but do we know for certain that they did 'inject someone with a substance they KNEW wasn't 100%' or did they suspect it would be and the substance 'failed to deliver'? Just wondering ....

@niftyfifty yes mate it was stated on the BBC that the substance has only been used once before and it took the condemned man about an hour to die

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[Kaotik]

but what gives another human being the right to take someones life....I know murderers do all the time but are we not the same then if we condone the death penalty if we WANT them to suffer .....if the death penalty is right why not make it a sure thing firing squad the guillotine or the gas chamber. why inject someone with a substance they KNEW wasn't 100%

Would you feel the same if he'd murdered a close family member? Maybe a daughter and one of her parents like he did?

People in England used to be hung, drawn and quartered just for being accused of treason. China used to perform lingchi, the ancient Roman's nailed people to crosses and left them there to suffer for days, Vlad the Impaler used to shove a stake up peoples arses until it slowly pierced through their body and killed them. Even today in places like the middle east, women are stoned to death just for committing adultery. He's lucky the US government is soft, he could have had it far worse.

Family members of the victims couldn't give a shit:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-28457460

 

[scott64]

Would you feel the same if he'd murdered a close family member? Maybe a daughter and one of her parents like he did?

People in England used to be hung, drawn and quartered just for being accused of treason. China used to perform lingchi, the ancient Roman's nailed people to crosses and left them there to suffer for days, Vlad the Impaler used to shove a stake up peoples arses until it slowly pierced through their body and killed them. Even today in places like the middle east, women are stoned to death just for committing adultery. He's lucky the US government is soft, he could have had it far worse.

Family members of the victims couldn't give a shit:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-28457460

@Kaotik and they have every right to see the person that killed the member of their family punished to the full extent of the law and if that means the death penalty then so be it.
But if they were not 100% sure of the outcome of the way the sentence was carried out then I think it should have been done another way... Electric chair or hanging.

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[Kaotik]

That's fair enough and dead is dead but I couldn't care less how he went or whether he suffered. Going by what the victims sister said, he was unconscious for most of those 2 hours, definitely seems more peaceful than hanging or the chair.

 

[scott64]

Don't get me wrong @Kaotik I am in favour of the death penalty as long as there is 100% certainty about the guilt of the person and to be honest I couldn't give a rats arse how long he took to die his human rights (what a joke) went out the window when he took someone's life I was just playing devils advocate there buddy

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[OldMember]

How about capital punishment for other crimes, such as drug trafficking? Bali is a country where this happens. There is currently a woman on death row out there from Gloucester for smuggling cocaine. I've read quite a few books about the Bali drug scene and the justice system, and interestinly, if the lady who is on death row actually paid a few bribes rather than launching a big media campaign declaring her innocence in this country, I firmly believe she would not be facing the firing squat. It's all about money over there, bribe the judge, the police, the prosecution, and you will have your sentence shortened. If anyone wants to read some books on Bali, the top two here are brilliant: http://www.amazon.co.uk/s/ref=nb_sb...ds=snowing+in+bali&rh=i:aps,k:snowing+in+bali Couldn't put either of them down.


China executes more people than any other country, and I believe that most of these executions are drug related.

 

[Olly]

@scott64

Agree with your general point, but do we know for certain that they did 'inject someone with a substance they KNEW wasn't 100%' or did they suspect it would be and the substance 'failed to deliver'? Just wondering ....

agree with the 10 marksmen thing

but you say u dont have a right to kill another man - but what if the other man has committed multiple atrocities and affected hundreds (if not thousands) of lives such as Peter Sutcliffe or Jack the Ripper?

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then youve got the whole thing about what is the difference between execution and the fact that the US and Allies have tons of soldiers out in various middle eastern regions right now slaughtering loads of innocents?

That video was utterly sickening

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