Fortitude Training (Review)

[Bill2]

Basically mate
How are feeling about Bf levels?
If you feel too fat then yea diet
If you can cope with a little more Bf then push on...

That's what I got from his post

Your kinda asking the same thing over n over after he has answered... lol

That make sense?

Yes Jim thanks
Basically I can't tell if it is better to continue gain ( is my bodyfat acceptable for this?
If so will I destroy insulin sensitivity?
Will I continue to make great gains or as fat rises my ability for muscle declines? .....) or mini diet - reset and go from there ..

 

[Jim]

Being a bit chubby in offseason doesn't bothers me if that route is better at gaining max but I don't know If this plan backfires at this point ( crushing insulin sensitivity and not be able to best maximize my potential for mass

Scott said in a reply to me
Along the lines of...
Any one who put a LOT of size on in any length of time has pushed hard and forced the issue... gaining fat is basically part n parcel it's just up to you how hard your willing to push, how far your willing to go and fat much fat gain your willing to accept

So its an individual thing...

Well that's my take on his reply to me...

 

[Jim]

Yes Jim thanks
Basically I can't tell if it is better to continue gain ( is my bodyfat acceptable for this?
If so will I destroy insulin sensitivity?
Will I continue to make great gains or as fat rises my ability for muscle declines? .....) or mini diet - reset and go from there ..

Dnt over think it
The point is its up to you...
Is your fat acceptable to you?

Also I think I picked up on the fact that your body may not add the same amount of fat again on next blast...
You may well have gained the fat your gonna and as you grow you may even end up leaning out a little...
(Partly Scott reply partly my own input)

If it was me
Size is important for me
I'd push on
But i'd monitor the Bf an if it keeps going up change my macros and timings about
If it still climbs lower the cals a little...
If still climbs or your become un happy... diet

 

[Scott Stevenson]

Than

thanks Scott
I thought sending photos you would be better see how my physique is and better understand my confusion..
My long term goal is to gain and keep gaining max muscle with my health as priority ..
Now if I get a bit chubby in the proccess in order to gain more muscle this way It's ok ..
So in this condition I'm in it is better to continue bulking or reset with a mini diet ( if this route would serve me best as far as insulin sensitivity etc ..)and go on after that?
I value your opinion

Sure!

Those photos aren't really much to go on, TBH. (The quality of that second one wasn't all that great.) Without the context of your goal physique (an example of a someone with the physique you'd most like to have), the don't say much about overall goals, but we've cleared that up, as dieting for the Summer is a given.

I'd simply keep gaining until you are at the point where need to start your diet for the Summer, i.e., so you have enough time to get as lean as you want to be at whatever time that is. In reality, that probably only means one more Blast, I'd guess, so there wouldn't be much time after a "mini-diet" anyway, before starting the diet into the Summer.

-S

 

[Scott Stevenson]

Yes Jim thanks
Basically I can't tell if it is better to continue gain ( is my bodyfat acceptable for this?
If so will I destroy insulin sensitivity?
Will I continue to make great gains or as fat rises my ability for muscle declines? .....) or mini diet - reset and go from there ..

Sometimes, you just have to say "What the fuck" and go for it....

Bill, it sounds like you're running on fear of an unknown. Maybe you'll gain size and kind of like being bigger but with a little more fat... Maybe this will flip the switch and you'll be driven to pack on more size than you want right now...

And, as Jim said, if you start to get to fat, then the world will likely come to an end shortly thereafter, but not before you end up homeless, destitute and living on the streets with no option other than various illegal, demoralizing acts as your way out... (Well, Jim actually kind of said it would be OK and you could just diet if you get too fat, but its fun to catastrophize things now n' again to gain a bit of perspective.. )

-S

 

[Pscarb]

You seem to be hung up on insulin sensitivity as if being fatter will naturally mean you are insulin resistant, this is just not the case there are many people who are overweight yet not insulin resistant, it sounds like that the only thing that will make you fat......it isn't

Schedule low carb and high carb days around your training, eat meals on none training days with zero carbs and train with high intensity then Insulin resistance won't be an issue......

Your asking a question that no one can answer concerning how much can YOU gain without getting to fat, what's "to fat" for you? No one knows apart from you.....

If you like the body composition you have now then eat until you start to lose that condition then mini diet as you like to say........(by the way that won't reset anything as you will be obsessed with getting lean you will probably lose muscle)

When I worked with Scott we pretty much agreed that I would be cool with adding 1-2lbs of bad weight per 1 lb of lean muscle....

In the year I was with Scott then the 6month after I gained 5kg of lean tissue (as per DEXA scans) the highest bodyfat I went was 13.8% that for me was about right.......

My point being just look at gaining until you look in the mirror one day and decide that what you see is not what you want

 

[Bill2]

Thanks Scott and JIm! Thanks for the help!
I think mass is more important to me at this point..!

 

[Bill2]

You seem to be hung up on insulin sensitivity as if being fatter will naturally mean you are insulin resistant, this is just not the case there are many people who are overweight yet not insulin resistant, it sounds like that the only thing that will make you fat......it isn't

Schedule low carb and high carb days around your training, eat meals on none training days with zero carbs and train with high intensity then Insulin resistance won't be an issue......

Your asking a question that no one can answer concerning how much can YOU gain without getting to fat, what's "to fat" for you? No one knows apart from you.....

If you like the body composition you have now then eat until you start to lose that condition then mini diet as you like to say........(by the way that won't reset anything as you will be obsessed with getting lean you will probably lose muscle)

When I worked with Scott we pretty much agreed that I would be cool with adding 1-2lbs of bad weight per 1 lb of lean muscle....

In the year I was with Scott then the 6month after I gained 5kg of lean tissue (as per DEXA scans) the highest bodyfat I went was 13.8% that for me was about right.......

My point being just look at gaining until you look in the mirror one day and decide that what you see is not what you want

Thanks Pscarb also..
( keep updating your journal bro.... We have too much to learn from you...)
How much wheigth per month was you gaining when working with Scott PScarb? And how long was this gaining season ?

 

[Con]

You seem to be hung up on insulin sensitivity as if being fatter will naturally mean you are insulin resistant, this is just not the case there are many people who are overweight yet not insulin resistant, it sounds like that the only thing that will make you fat......it isn't

Schedule low carb and high carb days around your training, eat meals on none training days with zero carbs and train with high intensity then Insulin resistance won't be an issue......

Your asking a question that no one can answer concerning how much can YOU gain without getting to fat, what's "to fat" for you? No one knows apart from you.....

If you like the body composition you have now then eat until you start to lose that condition then mini diet as you like to say........(by the way that won't reset anything as you will be obsessed with getting lean you will probably lose muscle)

When I worked with Scott we pretty much agreed that I would be cool with adding 1-2lbs of bad weight per 1 lb of lean muscle....

In the year I was with Scott then the 6month after I gained 5kg of lean tissue (as per DEXA scans) the highest bodyfat I went was 13.8% that for me was about right.......

My point being just look at gaining until you look in the mirror one day and decide that what you see is not what you want

Interesting post here Paul.

What body fat % did you start at (rough estimate is fine if you didn't get a dexa done at the start).

I am going to put in real effort into gaining some quality size after I finish competing these year.
I intend on doing some thing I have never done.....a true off season! Not, eat what I like fatten up quite a bit then need to mini diet before doing it again. This ends up with me to diet more than I gain because I simply "bulk" too much by not following a diet and just putting away a lot of food. Currently I am right at 200lb and 7% would be my best guess (I will get a dexa done within a month). So if I get down to 6% again and perhaps 195lb I will have a great base. 10lb of real muscle would put me right into the heavy weight class. With no intention of competing again until 2017 or so (have to focus on clients, gym and this requires excess energy not afforded by dieting!).

Over the past 15 months I have gained 20lb of muscle BUT that was coming off being super shredded naturally and then deciding to use low dose hormones again.
Over those 15 months I dieted more than I gained as I had a photoshoot/wanted to prep for some shows that didn't happen and so on.
Thus with low hormone use AND pure dedication to gaining muscle for over a year I would imagine another 10lb of muscle is more than doable!


What does this all have to do with FT?! Well FT is designed to gain tons of muscle and I will tell you over the past 15 months I have done more FT than any other kind of training. Obviously my gains are not ONLY down to FT lol (muscle memory, using hormones would be the biggest reasons!) but I have found FT very effective for hypertrophy!

 

[Jim]

Con you'll gain 10lb lean tissu by accident you cunt
If you push I'd wager you can gain more then 16lb lean tissue in 12 months...
From where you are post show or right now.

10lb reasonable my ass
If you only gained 10lb I'd be disappointed in you
You can gain tissue so well!
Was gonna say easy but ill not say easy... I'll say well... as I know you work hard so easy would be an insult lol

 

[Con]

Con you'll gain 10lb lean tissu by accident you cunt
If you push I'd wager you can gain more then 16lb lean tissue in 12 months...
From where you are post show or right now.

10lb reasonable my ass
If you only gained 10lb I'd be disappointed in you
You can gain tissue so well!
Was gonna say easy but ill not say easy... I'll say well... as I know you work hard so easy would be an insult lol

Yeah....kinda true!
In the past I always had to cut short because I would eat too much shit and have to stop due to BP going higher than I wanted!
Hell if I can keep it all under control I have no idea how big I could get....hopefully I will get to see :-)

 

[Jim]

Yeah....kinda true!
In the past I always had to cut short because I would eat too much shit and have to stop due to BP going higher than I wanted!
Hell if I can keep it all under control I have no idea how big I could get....hopefully I will get to see :-)

Fucking huge you cunt! Lol

 

[Scott Stevenson]

Thanks Scott and JIm! Thanks for the help!
I think mass is more important to me at this point..!

Good call!!!

Interesting post here Paul.

What body fat % did you start at (rough estimate is fine if you didn't get a dexa done at the start).

I am going to put in real effort into gaining some quality size after I finish competing these year.
I intend on doing some thing I have never done.....a true off season! Not, eat what I like fatten up quite a bit then need to mini diet before doing it again. This ends up with me to diet more than I gain because I simply "bulk" too much by not following a diet and just putting away a lot of food. Currently I am right at 200lb and 7% would be my best guess (I will get a dexa done within a month). So if I get down to 6% again and perhaps 195lb I will have a great base. 10lb of real muscle would put me right into the heavy weight class. With no intention of competing again until 2017 or so (have to focus on clients, gym and this requires excess energy not afforded by dieting!).

What does this all have to do with FT?! Well FT is designed to gain tons of muscle and I will tell you over the past 15 months I have done more FT than any other kind of training. Obviously my gains are not ONLY down to FT lol (muscle memory, using hormones would be the biggest reasons!) but I have found FT very effective for hypertrophy!

Con, I'd love to see you pull the trigger on that!!! I imagine Jim and I are not alone in that.

-S

 

[Pscarb]

Interesting post here Paul.

What body fat % did you start at (rough estimate is fine if you didn't get a dexa done at the start).

i had a DEXA scan when i started working with Scott it came out at 10.6% my biggest issue when i started with Scott was that i would miss meals through work etc and not make them up, something he does not like

i need to get over this mental block i have at the moment about gaining weight, as i need to eat more to improve but just fail to do it at the moment.......

i want to do a small 6-8 week cycle to gain some decent size before the baby comes and the wife stops me training lol

 

[Scott Stevenson]

i had a DEXA scan when i started working with Scott it came out at 10.6% my biggest issue when i started with Scott was that i would miss meals through work etc and not make them up, something he does not like

LOL!

i need to get over this mental block i have at the moment about gaining weight, as i need to eat more to improve but just fail to do it at the moment.......

i want to do a small 6-8 week cycle to gain some decent size before the baby comes and the wife stops me training lol

Do you have somewhere to put a home gym?... I've gone through various phases over the years where I've used mine for weeks and months on end - a great time saver. (I show it off here, when I was back in Arizona - it's in FL with me now. This set-up was about $5000. www.ironmaster.com. Maybe something similar over there.)

When you have to wake up to tend to the new baby (CONGRATS!), you could just grab a workout...

-S