Fortitude Training (Review)

[round 2]

Ah man I'm starving if my meals are late...
Once you get your head back I'm sure it will pick up and you'll be able to do the necessary

Fuck you Jim,fuck your metabolism, fuck your 6000 clean calories and fuck your solid shits.

Fuuuuuuuuuhhk U,

yes ,not him YOU!


Lol

 

[Pscarb]

Finished competing and still trying to improve your body even after doing this for 20+ years!
Either ultra dedicated or total nut job....perhaps both

It's neither really why would it need to be, it's what I have done for over 25yrs it's part of who I am.......

I don't have a specific time to improve I think it is natural to hit the gym and want to be better.....my gear use is the lowest it has been in I've 10years....

I get a real buzz from training at the moment maybe it's because I have no show to aim for so just enjoying it for what it is and I like looking half decent at 45 [emoji3][emoji3][emoji123]

 

[Scott Stevenson]

Thanks to both of u guys!
The thing is I gain wheight in ok rate if I pound the food every day as I should to the point of borderline force feeding but after 4 month blast I kind of am at a point which I think if I move on to another blast with high food again I will definitely accumulate excess body fat .. For this reason I was thinking to mini diet for 4 weeks with modatate cal cutting just to lose 3-4 kg , reset insulin sensitivity and prime my body this way for the upcoming blast
Thoughts?

We'll I follow FT book calculations short of
I started my blast before 4 months at 82,8 kg and on average 4000 which reached 4800 at the end ( 330-370 pro 400-500 carbs 50-70 fats)
I reached 86,5 with loss of condition of course not much though ..

Well, this would depend on what your ultimate goal is size-wise. As Con said, that's packing in some good kcal, so your ability to increase food intake could play a role (but you've not mentioned that).

Here's the thing I'm picking up on: You've not gained excess body fat - you're just concerned about it at this point. This tells me you're nearing the upper end of your comfort zone for body fat. So a few things apply here:

How high is your BF?... (I've not seen pics...)
How bad do you want the extra muscle vs. losing condition for a while?
We also don't know how true it is that you'll be gaining more body fat. What makes you think your body fat accumulation will take off with another blast?...

So, if you are indeed at your upper limit for body fat, then that's the bare bones answer to your question. You'll simply not end up allowing yourself to gain more fat and this will likely prevent you from making gains at least at your current rate in terms of muscle mass. The answer then is to diet back down, hold size and the gain again, back up to your acceptable level of body fat.

Now it might just be that you are getting overly fat, but your weight is not really high (unless you are very short) so I'm guessing you're not.

So, you either:

1.) Stay within your comfort zone (see above).
-or-
2.) Flip a switch and decide you're going to get (a lot) more muscle, accept the fat (within reason) and then do your damnedest to hold on to it after you've got it and diet it down, but that's only going to happen when you're really damn big. (I'm leaving out particulars b/c you've not stated your goals here, in the big picture.) THIS is the hardest switch for many guys to flip, and for some, it's simply not worth it, for various reasons (that a whole other thread).

-S

 

[Bill2]

Thanks Scott for the advise!
I'm ok on the food department and don't have a problem increasing it over 4800 cals ( my appetite is ok and ft training plays a role ! ! )
Although I don't thing I gained to much fat ( abs showing and good srperaton between guads and hams not know how much fat percentage wise)
I m trying to put as much fat free mass as possible of course but I don't want to be a fat mess of course nor I afraid to be a bitt chubby though in order to gain max mass!
For this reasons I was thinking to follow a period of gain then mini diet a bitt and do on
Also I'm not a competitor ! but I do diet to contest level for summer season ( by that I mean I don't have a determined time frame to bulk or to cut )
What you say Scott ?

 

[Scott Stevenson]

Thanks Scott for the advise!
I'm ok on the food department and don't have a problem increasing it over 4800 cals ( my appetite is ok and ft training plays a role ! ! )
Although I don't thing I gained to much fat ( abs showing and good srperaton between guads and hams not know how much fat percentage wise)
I m trying to put as much fat free mass as possible of course but I don't want to be a fat mess of course nor I afraid to be a bitt chubby though in order to gain max mass!
For this reasons I was thinking to follow a period of gain then mini diet a bitt and do on
Also I'm not a competitor ! but I do diet to contest level for summer season ( by that I mean I don't have a determined time frame to bulk or to cut )
What you say Scott ?

I say keep gaining until you get the the point where you'll have to start dieting to reaching the leanness you want to have for the Summer.

That "contest level for the summer season" is really the only concrete demarkation you've noted here on the thread pertaining to your question, so you'll have to work around that.

At your current size (again, without a picture or knowing how tall you are), "In order to gain max mass" doesn't really fit with the notion of dieting down to contest level body fat each summer. Your body weight suggests you may be very far from that (but I don't know about your level of supplementation and if you mean "max" as a natty or enhanced). In other works, you would likely have to spend a more prolonged period time (years) focusing purely on muscle gain to reach "max mass," instead of dieting down as you have been.

-S

 

[Bill2]

Well I do blast and cruise but my amounts are suited towards health and longetivity .. I do not compete also ( my blasts are 600-800 mg weekly total and cruise with 80 mg test only weekly ( endo prescribed)
I'm 5.8 tall
Last time I dieted from 92 kg to 82 kg with almost contest like condition .i can give photos if you want
The previous time I dieted before 2 years was 80 kg down from 92 again but nowhere near the condition I was at 82 this summer
So with my approach I'm gaining between 2-3 kg maybe a bit more stage -dry wheigth mass ..
Thoughts?

 

[Scott Stevenson]

Well I do blast and cruise but my amounts are suited towards health and longetivity .. I do not compete also ( my blasts are 600-800 mg weekly total and cruise with 80 mg test only weekly ( endo prescribed)
I'm 5.8 tall
Last time I dieted from 92 kg to 82 kg with almost contest like condition .i can give photos if you want
The previous time I dieted before 2 years was 80 kg down from 92 again but nowhere near the condition I was at 82 this summer
So with my approach I'm gaining between 2-3 kg maybe a bit more stage -dry wheigth mass ..
Thoughts?

Thoughts on what, exactly?...

Are you referring to whether you should do a mini-diet? The answer there would simply depend upon whether you're at your max body fat. I think you're just suspecting you'll start to put on more fat than you want in your next blast, but you're not there yet. If being in the spot where you *suspect* you'll gain too much fat is your max body fat level, then it's time to diet.

I you're wanting me to tell you specifically what to do(?). I think your goal is to look decent year round, not exceed your personal limit in terms of body fat, but still make gains. What a strange set of goals, eh?... LOL

Much to Con's (@Con ) chagrin, I'm going to try to get you to make the decision as to what to do. If I were you, I'd probably keep on gaining. You're doing great so far, you still can eat more, so I'd fucking go for it until you knew it was time to put on the brakes and start dieting down for the Summer. But that's me.

(Yes, photos would help, I'm sure. Also, some pics / links as to what kind of physique you want to have in the long run vs. where you've been when you've been in near contest nick would be cool to see. Yes, I wrote "nick" - hopefully I used that correctly.. LOL)

-S

 

[Bill2]

Hey Scott and Con
The first picture was 2 weeks before the end of my dieting for summer and the second the most recent at 86.3 kg After my 4 month blast
So now you can see where i m and suggest accordingly !!

 

[Scott Stevenson]

Hey Scott and Con
The first picture was 2 weeks before the end of my dieting for summer and the second the most recent at 86.3 kg After my 4 month blast
So now you can see where i m and suggest accordingly !!

Since I don't know where you want to go with your physique, I can't really make any more suggestions for you, Bill. I've laid out some very basic parameters for making the call (e.g., delineating a long term goal physique (pic?), defining your personal body fat limit, how long it will take you to diet down to your desired Summer-time body fat level), but you don't seem to want to respond to those comments.

Without specific goals, your request for a suggestion is like asking me, "How do I get where I want to go?" when I have no idea what that destination is.

-S

 

[Jim]

Since I don't know where you want to go with your physique, I can't really make any more suggestions for you, Bill. I've laid out some very basic parameters for making the call (e.g., delineating a long term goal physique (pic?), defining your personal body fat limit, how long it will take you to diet down to your desired Summer-time body fat level), but you don't seem to want to respond to those comments.

Without specific goals, your request for a suggestion is like asking me, "How do I get where I want to go?" when I have no idea what that destination is.

-S

Scott how do I achieve my goals this yr?
Come on man help me out dude!

 

[A1243R]

Scott how do I achieve my goals this yr?
Come on man help me out dude!

Stop being a cunt

 

[Jim]

Stop being a cunt

Lol
Never!!!

 

[Bill2]

Than

Since I don't know where you want to go with your physique, I can't really make any more suggestions for you, Bill. I've laid out some very basic parameters for making the call (e.g., delineating a long term goal physique (pic?), defining your personal body fat limit, how long it will take you to diet down to your desired Summer-time body fat level), but you don't seem to want to respond to those comments.

Without specific goals, your request for a suggestion is like asking me, "How do I get where I want to go?" when I have no idea what that destination is.

-S

thanks Scott
I thought sending photos you would be better see how my physique is and better understand my confusion..
My long term goal is to gain and keep gaining max muscle with my health as priority ..
Now if I get a bit chubby in the proccess in order to gain more muscle this way It's ok ..
So in this condition I'm in it is better to continue bulking or reset with a mini diet ( if this route would serve me best as far as insulin sensitivity etc ..)and go on after that?
I value your opinion

 

[Jim]

Than

thanks Scott
I thought sending photos you would be better see how my physique is and better understand my confusion..
My long term goal is to gain and keep gaining max muscle with my health as priority ..
Now if I get a bit chubby in the proccess in order to gain more muscle this way It's ok ..
So in this condition I'm in it is better to continue bulking or reset with a mini diet ( if this route would serve me best as far as insulin sensitivity etc ..)and go on after that?
I value your opinion

Basically mate
How are feeling about Bf levels?
If you feel too fat then yea diet
If you can cope with a little more Bf then push on...

That's what I got from his post

Your kinda asking the same thing over n over after he has answered... lol

That make sense?

 

[Bill2]

Being a bit chubby in offseason doesn't bothers me if that route is better at gaining max but I don't know If this plan backfires at this point ( crushing insulin sensitivity and not be able to best maximize my potential for mass