american death penalty

[scott64]

a prisoner on death row in arizona usa took over 2hrs to die afetr receiving a lethal injection yesterday, witnesses said that he was gasping and groaning for nearly two hours. there was a problem with the injection they used previously as another man on too over an hour to die earler in the year.
now the question i am asking is do you beleive in the death penalty is it right to kill another person regardless of what they have done murder, rape etc etc
if so do you think that its a good idea that it should be made public...im not talking about putting it on tv here i mean inviting certain people that have been affected by the crime to see the eventual outcome.
or do you think that its barbaric and there is no place in modern society for such a thing as execution .....
whats your views on the matter..does the fact that the man who was executed took over two hrs to die or doesnt it matter to you as he was a convicted double murderer anyway....

 

[Tommy6]

I believe it's a great thing for people capable of such evil.

Particularly anything involving kids, they should be tortured infrint of the kids family and made to endure the pain and suffering that they'll have likely caused.

Then lead them to a slow death so they can no longer drain our society.


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[OldMember]

The death penalty must be one of the most discussed topics on forums. It's up there with 'was 9/11 a conspiracy' and 'they take all our jobs'.

Personally I'm of the view that the death penalty is also murder and therefore I don't agree with it. However, I'm sure my opinion would change if I / someone in my family were a victim in a hideous crime.

The tricky part is that there is always the possibility that an innocent person is killed. Every so often a story makes the headlines "X man on death row found innocent". Despite our technological and scientific advancements, it can still happen. Of course there is no doubt if someone pleads guilty.

 

[hsmann87]

Personally (from a moral standpoint) I agree with it but tbh haven't put a load of thought into my decision as such. Taking a life is always wrong IMO but if you look at it in the grand scheme of statistics of 7bn world population and growing, making an example of one person will always definitely reduce the crime rate overall which will, in turn save MANY more lives as a % of the 7bn population.

But I will say this - in the areas and times of the world where there are/were more drastic punishments, the crime rates are/were MUCH less. E.g. in some areas of the middle east you get your hand chopped off if you steal; no coincidence that theft is virtually non-existent in those areas!

Then you fast forward over to the western world where punishments arent as harsh and u have dickheads running around with knives and shooters causing havoc and killing an array of innocent people. And then look at other 3rd world countries rife with corruption. Palestine Egypt, places like Rawanda, Korea. Its all just a total fuck up.

I will also go as far to say that the media doesnt help stuff either. If a white guy kills a coloured guy or vice versa they publicise it alluding to racism when it may not even have been the case. Funny how they always say "islamic militants" or "neo nazis" too as well as just "militants". You get dickheads in every creed/race/religion even though there are more in certain creeds/races/religions than others!

 

[TinyTim]

I sure don't have the right to kill another man.
Don't see that dressing things up as authority conveys that right either.
Heat of the moment battles - death during a burglary - regrettable but understandable.
Calmly calculating the death of another via the death penalty - way to go civilisation.
If it *had* to be done, then shoot them, using a marksman (or 10 to keep guilt low).
Don't go for death by injection using a cocktail that might or might not work as it's intended to - that's just fucking lame.

 

[Gifford chilford]

Guillotine was the quickest and best method hands down. Nonses should be executed

 

[Little Simon]

Always find the documentaries on death row prisoners interesting, its like a roller coaster of emotions.

They always start with the prisoner first.

Remorseful, well spoken, apologetic, seem quite normal, its like you get drawn into thinking "he's alright, give the fella a chance and let him live"...

Then you hear the crime they committed and in detail.

Trevor McDonald did one where a dude had killed a young mother and her 2 year old, makes you feel sick to the stomach, especially when they showed footage of him denying the whole thing.

Seemed quite normal until the whole story was revealed.



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[Phmg]

I dont know. Part of me says that by killing, we are just as bad.

But then i've not had some f.ucked up guy touching my child and ruining them mentally for life. I'm pretty sure id want that person dead.

Like the lost prophets lead singer. He shouldn't be allowed to live.

 

[Tommy6]

I dont know. Part of me says that by killing, we are just as bad.

But then i've not had some f.ucked up guy touching my child and ruining them mentally for life. I'm pretty sure id want that person dead.

Like the lost prophets lead singer. He shouldn't be allowed to live.

Exactly my thinking.


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[Jamie555]

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The tricky part is that there is always the possibility that an innocent person is killed. Every so often a story makes the headlines "X man on death row found innocent". Despite our technological and scientific advancements, it can still happen. Of course there is no doubt if someone pleads guilty.

This.

Juries make idiotic decisions far too often for my liking.

There was an interesting study I came across a while back looking at the correlation between the fed state of jurors and convictions. If you are on trial for a capital crime just hope that jurors have eaten.

Look at the number of people in the US whose convictions were later found to be unsafe or countered ie exonerated through DNA matches. What is even worse is how so many were ugly people ( more likely to be convicted if one is ugly rather than pretty ), those with facial abnormalities or who jurors said "seemed odd" and later were found to be autistic (thus a difference in communication).

I have a memo in my office that was issued to UK police in the 1950s on who to look for in a murder enquiry. It actually helps identify non conformist poor people. It acts as a reminder to me on how much prejudice and irrelevant claptrap clouds human judgement.

Yet another reminded of how poor human judgement is when it comes to assumptions is in psychiatric admissions. Checkout Rosenhan's "On being sane in insane places". People see what they expect to see.

What scares me further is that the judges let alone the general public have a terrible understanding of forensic science and what inferences can actually be drawn from such evidence, and I would expect this to worsen as the pace of new techniques develop.

As an aside, the number of botched executions in the US since the EU export embargo on drugs for lethal injection, is shocking. American pharmacists / the CJS should be better than that. A shocking, shocking indictment of their competence IMO! They could get a local vet first year student, who could do the job with more finesse.

J

 

[scott64]

But you can't have the death penalty for one crime and not murder the question is should it be allowed at all

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[Pete Lawson]

The death penalty must be one of the most discussed topics on forums. It's up there with 'was 9/11 a conspiracy' and 'they take all our jobs'.

Personally I'm of the view that the death penalty is also murder and therefore I don't agree with it. However, I'm sure my opinion would change if I / someone in my family were a victim in a hideous crime.

The tricky part is that there is always the possibility that an innocent person is killed. Every so often a story makes the headlines "X man on death row found innocent". Despite our technological and scientific advancements, it can still happen. Of course there is no doubt if someone pleads guilty.

If there is proof beyond no shadow of a doubt that some one took another life or lifes with intent then I say yes to the death penalty.

 

[niftyfifty]

I don't agree with the Death Penalty on principle and what we see in this business is unacceptable to me personally. However, it seems to me that in parts of US culture 'life is cheaper' than customarily it is valued in the UK. By which I mean, from the more general availability of handguns, the immutable 'Right to Bear Arms', practice of the death penalty in certain states, what seems to be a (more) widespread instance of gun-related street violence, through to the long-standing practice of 'choice'-driven decisions around birth and death , again in certain states in the Union. I don't begin to understand what it is like to make decisions around penal restitution for crime, etc from within that culture but clearly, unless I perceive and accept this difference between UK and US contexts, I make judgements about what they are doing without any real understanding. Find it a very tricky issue!

 

[CS86]

As I sit on the fence on this one thing that strikes me is man's non-stop thirst for blood over the years.

Forget about scientific advancements...just seems some basic primal instincts haven't changed. War, murder, genocide, capital punishment...been going on since the dawn of mankind and will continue

Some may view it as 'barbaric' and 'medieval' but is man doing what man has always done really that old-fashioned...?

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[Ksa-Cossie]

I firmly believe in an eye for an eye, especially for rapists, murderers and peadophiles