Blast and Cruise

[flextreme]

I am completly new to this ideology and would be gratefull if someone would spair a minute to outline the benifits of blast and cruise cycles and what kind of compounds are used during such phases.


Many thanks

 

[Skellan]

Without going into the detailed science of it you cycle the compounds EG 500mg sust/ 200mg deca every week for say 12 weeks this is the blast. Then "cruise" on sust only for 125mg per week for 8 weeks to give your body chance to recover but also keep your T level elevated. I usually do 2 cycles this way then come off for 6 months. Personally I LOVE cruising but thats just me.
If I`m wrong on any of that then I`m sure somene will be along to correct me I think that is the basics

 

[Con]

^What exactly is your body recovering?

 

[Skellan]

Recovering from hitting it with 500mg sust, 200mg deca for example?? Or otherwise could you not just permenantly stay "on"?
Like I said, thats that way I understood it but maybe I`ve been misinformed. If I`m wrong then please advise

 

[Con]

Oh i am just curious to what people think they are recovering.
Test levels wont, lipid levels may to a small degree, liver and kidney values should never really elevate....so what is being recovered?

 

[Skellan]

OK, why B&C then?

 

[Con]

^No idea! Sounds like a horribly dangerous idea to me, unless of course you need hormone replacement.

 

[flextreme]

Correct me if im wrong

But, I was under the impression that the blast phases where alot shorter in duration (2-6 weeks) than the crusie pahses with much higher doseages (1g +). The purpose of the blast phase being to hit the body hard with as much AAS as possible before any side effects became evident and crusie periods were to allow the body to normalise and become accustomed to newly acquired muscle mass. With crusie doseages being similar to normal baseline test levels or similar to standard HRT (hormone reaplacement therapy) doseages.


I cant understand how one can blast with slow acting drugs (sust, deca e.t.c) as these will take a while to kick in and most liley be kicking in during the crusie phase. Does this mean that fast acting esters should be used only during the blast?

Obviosuly this style of cycle is being used by those staying on all year round (pros e.t.c) but could be the perfect option for those looking to stay on year round for vanity reasons. I myself a completly new to it and have only been used to the old school method of cycle + pct = time off

 

[Con]

^Do pro's stay on year round?

 

[Grantinerfe]

what I've been told is that if you're planning on doing 2 courses or more in a year there's no point trying to recover as your body won't recover properly so you use trt dose (kind of) till your next cycle. I'm no expert and haven't done it myself so correct me if im wrong.

 

[Dig]

^No idea! Sounds like a horribly dangerous idea to me, unless of course you need hormone replacement.

Is there any difference between endogenous test and exogenous test if it is true trt dose regarding the danger of cruising?? (genuine question).

I've looked at a few studies re trt and seems no significant risk of developing health problems compared to someone with a normal endogenous level of test. For example i cant find any info that suggests exogenous test increases red blood cell count (obviously one of the major worries) to a greater degree than natty test if at the same level, same with the other risk factors.

Obviously a big worry would be sperm count/motility, but regular use hcg etc seems to work well against that.

Longer term use at higher than normal trt doses and start to increase risk factors a bit i think, eg prostate problems, higher red blood cell count (so greater likelihood of blood clots), excess estrogen and the problems that come with that, likewise dht.

So with all this in mind, imo, TRT is not a 'horribly dangerous idea'.

If any of my points are wrong please point them out, i know plenty of you guys are more knowledgable and experienced than i am

 

[Skellan]

That does seem to make sense and also the first "non cryptic" answer from one of the more knowledgeable people so cheers for that Dig!

 

[Hilly]

^Do pro's stay on year round?

who knows? do you? i dont. tell me tell me tell me

I have seen atleast 1 or 2 studies showing that hpta/lh can be boosted or made to work while you are on cycle. so to me for people wanting to run longer cycles(for instance CON who likes to or used to) I would run some clomid/hcg for 2-4 week periods every so often and reduce my gear load. this would run in line with a reduced period in training.

I guess you could call this phase a cruise if you wanted

 

[Viktor]

Is there any difference between endogenous test and exogenous test if it is true trt dose regarding the danger of cruising?? (genuine question).

I've looked at a few studies re trt and seems no significant risk of developing health problems compared to someone with a normal endogenous level of test. For example i cant find any info that suggests exogenous test increases red blood cell count (obviously one of the major worries) to a greater degree than natty test if at the same level, same with the other risk factors.

Obviously a big worry would be sperm count/motility, but regular use hcg etc seems to work well against that.

Longer term use at higher than normal trt doses and start to increase risk factors a bit i think, eg prostate problems, higher red blood cell count (so greater likelihood of blood clots), excess estrogen and the problems that come with that, likewise dht.

So with all this in mind, imo, TRT is not a 'horribly dangerous idea'.

If any of my points are wrong please point them out, i know plenty of you guys are more knowledgable and experienced than i am

The trouble is Dig we need to define the 'true' trt level dose; are we talking 250mg Test every three week, every two weeks or every week? 5mg Testogel per day, 10 mg Testogel per day? 1000mg Undeconate every 12, ten or nine weeks?

The above protocols are all prescribed via the NHS in the UK?

Polycythemia (sticky blood) is a real world issue for guys on trt as is a potential for a rise in PSA. (the later is arguable depending on the study you read)

Rather than dribble on I've an interesting link below on trt that may be worth a read for people.

Monitoring Testosterone Replacement Therapy (TRT) by Nelson Vergel

 

[GetXXL]

who knows? do you? i dont. tell me tell me tell me

I have seen atleast 1 or 2 studies showing that hpta/lh can be boosted or made to work while you are on cycle. so to me for people wanting to run longer cycles(for instance CON who likes to or used to) I would run some clomid/hcg for 2-4 week periods every so often and reduce my gear load. this would run in line with a reduced period in training.

I guess you could call this phase a cruise if you wanted

Yes, you can sort of restore your HPTA during a cycle (atleast, TRT dose that is). There's a guy on the Dutch board who is under supervision of an endocrinologist (Dr. de Ronde of the AAS clinic of the VU), who prescribes 20mg of nolva ED besides his 75mg/w test. And his HPTA is restoring fine after cycling for years and years (power PCT failed on him btw, that's why he went to Dr. de Ronde). Balls were 4x the size they were he said after 3 months of nolva.