By Popular Demand - The Virgin Voyage Fortitude Training Package!

Discussion in 'Fortitude Training' started by Scott Stevenson, Aug 18, 2015.

  1. Jared

    Jared Full Member

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    Haha it seems I started something...! Yea, even though I wasn't going to run fortitude just yet I jumped on there to buy it purely out of interest and to gain a bit of knowledge thinking the price wouldn't be too far removed from the book. I added it to the basket and nearly had a prolapse!!
     


  2. Scott Stevenson

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    I had someone have the problem earlier this week. (First time. I'll check into it ASAP, as I'm' about to leave town) My thought was just to make a temp addy on gmail or yahoo for the purposes of getting the link mailed to you.

    As far as the price, that was a tough call and I went with middle of the road on what some had thought I should price it at. (I also got more than an earful that the book was underpriced, of course... Bitched out even...)

    With a lot of the guy here, you can just get the book, figure it out and go.

    The program is in part an alternative to hiring me. I really was getting a lot of questions about helping folks just set up the program, so rather than charge someone $125 / month for two months just to give them 4 workouts / week, I set this up. Getting the book (for free) means it comes with membership on my board (wwww.integrativebodybuilding.com) where I'm answering questions daily.

    So, for $250, you get:
    -Two months of workouts
    -Training log
    -New exercises to do that the've not already done.
    -Grouping exercises for the Set types, etc., which is an issue that folks run into quite a bit.
    -Q and A on my board.


    The .pdf file is over 200 pages long, actually. :) With the there volume tiers, there ends up being 3 x 28 (84) workouts, so this is something someone could use multiple times with varying Tier structure. Change (write over) the loading sets as needed and it's a template a log that could be used for quite a while.

    But still, most of you guys reading here don't need a program like this one, just like I told Con up front here.

    A ton of people figured out DC training from the web, but a lot of folks hired Dante and me, too. This is an intermediate between figuring it out and hiring me for one on one. You end up with a big ass training log / pseudo template, too.
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    And for those who are / were disappointed, let me know what you'd want as far as a product. I'm all ears. If it's just the price that made you think, "Damn, I thought that Scott guy was different," I hear you, too. My plan is to put more of these out and if this model takes off, I definitely don't see the price going up. (A SHIT TON of work - several hundreds of hours - went into creating this first one, as it required me to re-learn relational database programming with Filemaker.)

    -S
     
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  3. Jared

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    Scott, the general public waste far more on fancy supplements and cookie cutter push pull legs plans. I am sure the new product is great and I hope it sells well. Wish you all the best with it.
     
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  4. Scott Stevenson

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    LOL - I hear ya and thank you.

    Obviously, not enough folks know about FT to me to be putting down payments on a new jet from the sales if this program.

    BUT, I do think this will get some folks going that wouldn't have otherwise.

    It's a weird marketplace, too. Value of course, depends on how you contextualize things.

    For instance, $50 / hr is a low end rate for a personal trainer here in the States, which is kind of crazy when you consider that this can easily run into $600 / month ($150 / week x 4 weeks) or $1200 for two month. (So, for some folks, I think this program with all the extras is at least worth 20% of that value.)

    :)

    -S
     
  5. CS86

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    Just the price disappointed me, Scott. If anything I agree the Fortitude ebook was probably underpriced! Worked out at £14 sterling...some guys pay double to triple that for a tub of preworkout formula lol

    I thought the book was very comprehensive, and the nutritional detail was good too with a sample meal plan provided. The book was so comprehensive I thought any additional information on the program would be minimal (but of course welcome and enlightening) which is why I was so disappointed with the steep price.

    So I'm not going to lie my eyes widened when I saw the fee BUT you are a pretty famous guy in bodybuilding, one of the world's most respected coaches, so if anyone's entitled to charge a premium it's you. Unfortunately my income puts me out of the premium price bracket!
     
  6. Galaxy

    Galaxy Formerly Gal Top Contributor

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    It's expensive but it's not over priced when compared to similar programs on the market for example John meadows etc.
    Have the ebook myself so see no need to get it but understand where price has come from.
     
  7. TinyTim

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    It's £159, on conversion.
    8 page PDFs of certain popular training programs go for £99 for example.
    The problem is a perceptive one - you don't know what you're going to get for your money.
    But if it's 10% like the information you get when you sign with Dr Scott as a one-to-one client, it'll be a bargain.
    Just no one wants to pay for anything in bodybuilding.
     
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  8. Jared

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    People in bodybuilding chuck loads of money at gear or anything they think they can drink/eat that will make them big! They just never want to pay for knowledge because it means they might have to put some proper work and effort in! :wall:
     
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  9. Reacher

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    So you're buying it then Jared ?
     
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  10. Scott Stevenson

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    CS86 - For many folks (like you, I think) who are willing / have the desire to read the book, construct a program and ask questions on my board to iron out details (as well as peruse things I've put up there in the no >50 page Q and A), MUCH of what is in the VV program can be assimilated.

    For someone who is willing to read front matter and learn how to do the Set Type and Stretch Type, they can be up and running with this program on a daily basis really pretty quickly, so this is saving them tons of time and effort.

    It's definitely for a niche of folks, only. I'm guessing from the dozens of requests for such I thing means there are hundreds out there who would like this.

    Yeah that's kind of what I was seeing, as well.

    (Thanks, man. :) )

    Yes, it's hard to know a good training program from a not so good one, too. (The number of stories I've heard of trainers selling programs for >$300 that were just as generic as can be.)

    I've got some sample pages on the ad page (http://drscottstevenson.com/forum/misc.php?page=VirginVoyage)

    Frankly, I felt a bit cheesy about including "OVER 200 PAGES" with the ad, but there's a good bit in there. (Hell, with the e-book and the VV program, there's nearly 400 pages... LOL

    That can very true.

    I think there are folks who just don't learn well from reading a long ass book, so this is another way to get things to them.

    -S
     
  11. Scott Stevenson

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    I think he's wanting to avoid the impending prolapse if he actually follows through with the purchase. ;) (Can't blame him, but i guess it depends on what kind of prolapse. :) )

    -S
     
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  12. Reacher

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    It's beyond my means for an ebook to be perfectly honest.
    I respect the work put in, but I just can't justify the spend at the mo.
    I'm not about to knock anyone else for not having the available cash either though.
    Everyone has their reasons and limits for their expenses, if that's sups over books fair play to them.
     
  13. Con

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    Lets be honest Scott you screwed your self a little.
    Charging so little for probably the most in-depth bodybuilding book ever written.
    Even I raised an eye brow at the price (not because it's expensive but because it's a $229 increase from the first book!).

    Look guys I purchased John Meadows OMEGA program for the same price.
    It's decent but Scotts book will be way more interesting AND this was a sale price for Johns program.
     
  14. Scott Stevenson

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    Makes total sense, man.

    It's all about balance of cash, perceived value, priorities, etc.

    LOL - I will never claim to be the best businessman. (Would rather be remembered for other things. :) )

    But you just made my day with the compliment about the book, Con!

    I may need to re-emphasize that this is a different kind of product than the book, really. Much more in line with John's kind of model whereby you've got an exercise by exercise plan to follow on a daily basis. Just get in there, and execute. :)

    -S
     
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  15. Con

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    Put it this way Scott.
    I am pretty well educated in the activity of gaining muscle and losing fat because it has been my passion since I was 12 years old!
    VERY rarely do I read any thing new and truly learn new information.
    With the posts you make and the content in your e-book I can honestly say I learn new information.
    To me that is a big deal:thumb:

    Most of the "experts" are BS artists and simply prescribe their clients a lot of drugs (I have seen many plans from various higher level "guru's" and they all have pushing chemicals in large amounts as the common denominator). I have never got the impression that you're about that in fact you always seen to focus on the nutrition, rest, training over all other aspects.....I like that.... a lot!
     
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