Doing "the Finals" When You Really Shouldn't?

[Con]

People live in fantasy worlds.
Trained with one guy yesterday.
Never competed before...not a great physique literally never trained legs and bad teeth/skin......talking about become physique pro within 2 years.

 

[Jim]

I come 2nd in my class at kent but will still do the finals...
Should I sack it off?

The back ground story if this is that I was prepping for a show 8weeks away then based on condition coming in quick and geography I just rolled out of bed n hopped on stage...
Pulled a 2nd out of a decent 8 man line up...

I'm still planning on doing the finals as I know 100% I'd be better in 6 weeks...

The yr Anth Bails won pro card he didn't win his quals... come 2nd then at finals pissed it!

I know what your saying...
and this is diff to what I'm saying I know... just on defencive as I didn't WIN to quals lol

Tbh if I had busted my ass for it and come 3rd I'd not do finals...

 

[Pscarb]

Tbh if I had busted my ass for it and come 3rd I'd not do finals...

I think this is his point Jim?

 

[Jim]

I think this is his point Jim?

Yes
I know...
I was agreeing but as I said on the defencive as I didn't win my quals lol felt like a cunt reading that ppl who dnt win have no place at finals lol
Had to get off my chest or I'd prob not sleep tonight...

 

[TinyTim]

Did u not fully read my post??

Were did I mention those people that pic shows based on geography or anything else

I said 'its pathetic those that go pic easy/quiet qualifiers' just to get n invite. Ad you see in this thread its been going on a while.

I dnt understand your lack of understanding my comment?

What I'm getting at it this.

Suppose a competitor lives in a distinct "limb" of the UK and cannot travel easily.

Suppose he's ready right at the start of the season when other competitors sometimes/often tend not to turn up in the best shape (since they're months in advance of the finals and don't want to be near peaking).

Now, this guy might stand out just enough to qualify but he might also be comparatively weaker than his fellow competitors were they to be in proper shape.

Supose he knows it's an easier qualifier.
Suppose he also knows it's likely to be quiet.

Is he still pathetic?

I fully read your post by the way - I just don't understand the distinctions you are trying to make.

 

[mal]

There's plenty of people who win the best shows,overall who dont
Bother with the Brits etc,its just an individual thing,financial,time
Off work thing.....it swings both ways...and you never know how
Good your class will be on the day,one year it can be strong,the
Next weaker..always been like that imo.

 

[Hilly]

What I'm getting at it this.

Suppose a competitor lives in a distinct "limb" of the UK and cannot travel easily.

Suppose he's ready right at the start of the season when other competitors sometimes/often tend not to turn up in the best shape (since they're months in advance of the finals and don't want to be near peaking).

Now, this guy might stand out just enough to qualify but he might also be comparatively weaker than his fellow competitors were they to be in proper shape.

Supose he knows it's an easier qualifier.
Suppose he also knows it's likely to be quiet.

Is he still pathetic?

I fully read your post by the way - I just don't understand the distinctions you are trying to make.

What im saying is similar to aron

There are certain competitors who will compete n get dicked on. Then loom to certain known quiet qualifiers n travel stupid distances to enter these in the hope of qualifying just to say they have been finals. Get there n look totaly out of place. I believe this can also be known as trophy hunting etc

Its not up for debate its a fact as has been stated by others also

Your points certainly are valid but not to this thread surely as those aren't the people were discussing

 

[blackbeard]

My opinion is that if you have to do multiple qualifiers to get an invite you're unlikely to place there. I've done two qualifiers and got an invite both times.
I only placed 3rd out of 9 at stars of tomorrow to get this years invite but the 2 that beat me were 2nd and 3rd place in 2012 finals.
I also beat 4th place Finals finisher.
You're only as good as you are on the day but if my condition is ok I'll be disappointed if I'm out of the top 6.

 

[Incredible Bulk]

I agree and disagree in ways

My friend took 3 qualifiers to qualify for the classics class at the Brits but took 5th at the Brits.
He just couldn't nail conditioning in some qualifiers.

So jumping from qualifier to qualifier allowed him to sharpen up and then take a top spot at the Brits.

 

[danny187]

But on a different note.

Say someone places or wins a show, but not many competitors, they do Brits as they want to as they enjoy it.

They do not place, look not as good as others, that could then provide the extra motivation for the individual to work alot on weaknesses for the next competitive year or further on.

As bodybuilding is a journey for the individual.

Victor Martinez did a show couple weeks back, he already had enough points to qualify, but said he did the show for the win, so he took that mentality into the Mr O, to be noticed and says to be in the mix for top 6.

Now that show was not an elite list of competitors, should victor not bother with Mr O

look at the ride that guy has had since nearly taking in years back.

 

[Incredible Bulk]

Look at how many super heavies qualifier just because there was only one other in the class? Supers is always filled out with guys who can't get in shape at the Brits

 

[Jim]

Was thinking about this question today.
Not sure if this has been said yet as not read full thread and not since I posted in it...

Let's say you place 3rd at quals get an invite
Winner of your class at quals wins the class and runner up in your quals comes 2nd at finals too...
You then come 3rd...
Was that not worth doing the finals?

I'd cut my big toe off for a 3rd in my class at finals...

Imagine how you'd feel if 1 and 2 from quals where 1 and 2 at Brits and you didn't do Brits and the 1 and 2 were nit as sharp as at quals if you had bothered to hit the Brits and come in sharp as fuck you'd have won the title but didn't bother as you thought fuck it I was only 3rd at my quals...

I'd feel fucking sick!

Was just thinking this today...
Obv all I do is sit about thinking about bbing all day so thought I'd post it up as well as just sit here thinking "oh Yea!" Lol

 

[Northern Lass]

This is one of the benefits to NABBA as you essentially get 1 shot at your area show(although you can qualify at the NABBA UK the year before) you cannot jump from one show to another to gain an invite.........

it took me 14yrs from when i first stepped on a stage to getting an invite to the finals (2005), since i first got that invite i have never failed to win my qualifier or place in the top 6 at the finals and i do think those 14yrs made the achievement even better.....

i see this all the time with new competitors but agree with @Beast it is not a new thing, i have spoken to many competitors and they have been utterly distraught that at there very first show they did not get to the finals as if there is no point to competing if you do not get an invite......

i would agree with this for someone like me, as to not get an invite at a qualifier would just not be acceptable and so would not placing top 6 at the finals, but if you are new to the game your first and foremost goal should be to step onstage the best you can be, then to set a goal to win your class at a qualifier no matter how long that takes (took me 14yrs )

to many want a quick fix.....

i also find myself agreeing with @Big Bear (i am sure it is a first mate ) how can someone who does not even place top 6 or in some cases not even do the British (UKBFF) represent there country at an international event (or win a sole qualifying event)....

there was a guy this year i think at the Arnold in spain (think his name is singh) who did not place any where a the finals yet went to the Arnold, and there where guys who won there classes or placed top 3 who where not asked to compete there........how does that work??

One of the reasons why I would compete in NABBA if I wanted to do a BB comp

 

[RS]

I kinda agree with the main points here, and IMO it all comes down to one thing - delusion.

I know a guy who always wants to get to the uni - and hats off to him is always positive in attitude (wish I could take a leaf from his book) - but the thing is, generally, he doesn't do ace at the qualifiers - ok, holds his own etc, but as said earlier, how can you expect to do well at the final, when you already struggling at the qualifier

I know another guy, nice guy, but was up in arms because no one from his class got an invite at the qualifier. His logic was, it was a disgrace that he had to pay membership fees, then not even get an invite - but the fact is the judges done the right thing. While neither he nor the rest of his class were poor, they simply were not of brit standard. That should happen more imo. Maybe cut it down to simply first place for an auto invite assuming standard about right, 2nd only if obvious they could improve markedly for the final, ie wee bit more dieting or clear that they have fucked it on the day as sometimes happens. The situation revealed that he, like many others - although not a poor bodybuilder - was not as high a standard as he thought himself.

Bodybuilding is wierd, It only seems to get folks who are either deluded and think they are way better than they are, or people who have a bit of potential but think they are shit, don't really see much in between

I only ever geared up to do finals once that I qualified for - and I was under no illusions that I was going to get pasted. I'd took 2nd at the NABBA Scottish Class 1 in 2010, with the pictures and feedback from brutally honest people saying that I'd have got first if I was a little tighter.

Discussion was that I might just be able to crack a top 6 at the Brits, so I went for it. But my reasoning was different, I just wanted to stand on stage in Southport - the Uni venue - and not look ridiculous - that was it.

As it happened, I had to pull out due to a stomach ulcer bursting on the morning of the show

Saved my bacon tbh, because looking at the pics, no way in hell would I have pushed for top 6 that year!

 

[Hilly]

Was thinking about this question today.
Not sure if this has been said yet as not read full thread and not since I posted in it...

Let's say you place 3rd at quals get an invite
Winner of your class at quals wins the class and runner up in your quals comes 2nd at finals too...
You then come 3rd...
Was that not worth doing the finals?

I'd cut my big toe off for a 3rd in my class at finals...

Imagine how you'd feel if 1 and 2 from quals where 1 and 2 at Brits and you didn't do Brits and the 1 and 2 were nit as sharp as at quals if you had bothered to hit the Brits and come in sharp as fuck you'd have won the title but didn't bother as you thought fuck it I was only 3rd at my quals...

I'd feel fucking sick!

Was just thinking this today...
Obv all I do is sit about thinking about bbing all day so thought I'd post it up as well as just sit here thinking "oh Yea!" Lol

Fair point but has it ever happens in history of bodybuilding??