Processed Vs Natural Iifym

[Anonymous]

How is processed food different to natural foods?

macros for a double cheeseburger are:

440 calories
26g protein
32g carbs
23g fat

if you were to look at these macros you would think 'this is the perfect meal'. perfect for post workout and perfect for bulking.

my question is - if you were to eat clean foods which equalled the same as the above macros, how is it more beneficial? it's the same protein, same carbs, same calories, so why is clean food better than processed food?

 

[Daz1]

Whilst the macronutrient content may be the same, the micronutrient content will be significantly inferior. This is as simple as it needs to be for me.

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[Prodiver]

It isn't more beneficial.

Protein is protein, fat is fat, and carbs are carbs.

There may be a few more vits, minerals and micronutrients in better meat, but they will be negligible.

And better burgers taste better.

But there's no such thing as eating clean.

Eat the protein and fat in the meat and cheese and the carbs in the salad and pickles, but leave the bun, to avoid the starch and sugar, unless you're very hungry.

 

[CS86]

Postworkout our muscle tissue is insulin sensitive. As insulin is an anabolic hormone that shuttles nutrients to the trained muscle, guys tend to ingest fast-digesting carbs to spike insulin, and consume protein or amino acids to be transported to the muscle.

Fats are generally avoided postworkout as the insulin will just shuttle dietary fat to fat cells.

I know this is a little off-track with what your thread is asking...I just dispute that a high-fat double cheeseburger is a good postworkout meal. Or that any meal including a 'clean' one with those macros would be optimal

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[Prodiver]

Postworkout our muscle tissue is insulin sensitive. As insulin is an anabolic hormone that shuttles nutrients to the trained muscle, guys tend to ingest fast-digesting carbs to spike insulin, and consume protein or amino acids to be transported to the muscle.

Fats are generally avoided postworkout as the insulin will just shuttle dietary fat to fat cells.

I know this is a little off-track with what your thread is asking...I just dispute that a high-fat double cheeseburger is a good postworkout meal. Or that any meal including a 'clean' one with those macros would be optimal

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Some of us are persuaded that pre- and post-workout meals don't have any effect.

 

[Anonymous]

It isn't more beneficial.

Protein is protein, fat is fat, and carbs are carbs.

There may be a few more vits, minerals and micronutrients in better meat, but they will be negligible.

And better burgers taste better.

But there's no such thing as eating clean.

Eat the protein and fat in the meat and cheese and the carbs in the salad and pickles, but leave the bun, to avoid the starch and sugar, unless you're very hungry.

this is what I thought - there is no difference, a macro is a macro. thanks for the advice, next time I will skip the bun!

I don't understand why people still shove rice and dry chicken down their necks when they can eat good food with the equivalent macronutrients. it boggles the mind.

 

[CS86]

Some of us are persuaded that pre- and post-workout meals don't have any effect.

But the OP describes the burger as 'perfect for postworkout'...so clearly he is persuaded

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[danny187]

Your inflammation markers will eventually be increased, the lack of fibre and micronutrients will limit long term gains eating shit...

Of course you can eat dbl cheese burgers and poorer quality foods but not optimal for physique or health in reality

 

[2004mark]

I don't think there is anything wrong with a burger... same goes for a pie, sausages etc all foods that most consider 'dirty'.

The main problem in my eyes is when these foods are incorporated into a meal. The sides and drink will usually be high in carbs and to a lesser extent fats. So if you then look at the macro spilt it's not ideal at all.

 

[Prodiver]

Your inflammation markers will eventually be increased, the lack of fibre and micronutrients will limit long term gains eating shit...

Of course you can eat dbl cheese burgers and poorer quality foods but not optimal for physique or health in reality

Any inflammation of your system caused by foods - most of which is entirely fictitious - are as nothing compared with the inflammation caused by exercising intensely to cause hypertrophy.

 

[Hivoltage]

How is processed food different to natural foods?

macros for a double cheeseburger are:

440 calories
26g protein
32g carbs
23g fat

if you were to look at these macros you would think 'this is the perfect meal'. perfect for post workout and perfect for bulking.

my question is - if you were to eat clean foods which equalled the same as the above macros, how is it more beneficial? it's the same protein, same carbs, same calories, so why is clean food better than processed food?

The benefit in eating unprocessed meat is overall health in comparison to processed.

Taking meat as an example:
If you compare unprocessed meats with processed meats, there are differences. Mainly levels of saturated fats and cholesterol are similar in processed and unprocessed meats however processed meats generally have four times the amount of sodium and of course preservatives. Increased levels of sodium and preservatives may explain the increase in health risk of processed meats. What is known, is that sodium increases blood pressure and preservatives have been shown to reduce tolerance to sugars. High blood pressure contributes to heart disease and reduced tolerance to sugars increases the risk of diabetes.

WTF Here's the ingredients of the bun:

Regular Bun: Enriched wheat flour, water, sugar and/or glucose-fructose, yeast, vegetable oil (soybean and/or
canola), salt, calcium sulphate, calcium propionate, monoglycerides, enzymes, azodicarbonamide, and may contain
any or all of the following in varying proportions: diacetyl tartaric acid esters of mono and diglycerides, BHT, sodium
stearoyl-2-lactylate, wheat starch, calcium peroxide, wheat gluten, inactive yeast, sorbitol, dextrin, malted barley
flour, ascorbic acid, citric acid, calcium stearate, calcium iodate, silicon dioxide.

Compared to what you actually need to make bread which is very little in comparison.

 

[gemc1981]

My main concern with processed foods are the salt content (double cheese burger has just over 2g of salt in it) and the chemical preservatives put into them.

Given that you can leave that food out and it doesn't go off at all I dont agree that it is the same as chicken and rice you have cooked yourself, at home, for the same macros. Or even making a beef burger out of mince yourself.

I dont know why everyone goes on about "boring chicken and rice" your meals are as interesting as you make them. Put more effort into them and youll have nicer meals! I wouldnt swap any of the meals I make for processed shit.

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[Prodiver]

The benefit in eating unprocessed meat is overall health in comparison to processed.

Taking meat as an example:
If you compare unprocessed meats with processed meats, there are differences. Mainly levels of saturated fats and cholesterol are similar in processed and unprocessed meats however processed meats generally have four times the amount of sodium and of course preservatives. Increased levels of sodium and preservatives may explain the increase in health risk of processed meats. What is known, is that sodium increases blood pressure and preservatives have been shown to reduce tolerance to sugars. High blood pressure contributes to heart disease and reduced tolerance to sugars increases the risk of diabetes.

WTF Here's the ingredients of the bun:

Regular Bun: Enriched wheat flour, water, sugar and/or glucose-fructose, yeast, vegetable oil (soybean and/or
canola), salt, calcium sulphate, calcium propionate, monoglycerides, enzymes, azodicarbonamide, and may contain
any or all of the following in varying proportions: diacetyl tartaric acid esters of mono and diglycerides, BHT, sodium
stearoyl-2-lactylate, wheat starch, calcium peroxide, wheat gluten, inactive yeast, sorbitol, dextrin, malted barley
flour, ascorbic acid, citric acid, calcium stearate, calcium iodate, silicon dioxide.

Compared to what you actually need to make bread which is very little in comparison.

I agree wholeheartedly about the bun!

But I regard saturated fat as beneficial and cholesterol as irrelevant.

And I'm very sceptical about the disbenefits of "processed" meats.

The sodium content of a real 100% meat hamburger pattie, even a cheap one - not a beefburger pattie with cerals and additives - can't be particularly high, or it'd taste very salty.

And for centuries countless millions people have been eating ham, sausage and pickles - foods preserved by heavy salting - yet the incidence of hypertension (high blood pressure) and CVD was much lower than today.

A link between sodium intake and hypertension became news with WW2 burns victims - but little work had been done on healthy people.

And some years back New Scientist asked whether the link was proven, and could find no concrete proof.

Here's a reasonable article on sodium intake: http://www.todayifoundout.com/index.php/2013/02/why-does-salt-raise-blood-pressure/

"...it turns out a high sodium diet might not raise blood pressure, nor have any sort of adverse effect on cardiovascular health at all."

 

[Dig]

As @gemc1981 just said there's a shitload of chemical preservatives in most processed foods, and for that fact alone makes them subpar vs unprocessed.

Taken to the extremes are people really claiming that a diet consisting predominantly of processed foods is just as healthy as one consisting of unprocessed foods? Really? Chronic inflammation is a huge issue in our society due to shitty food choices and not doing exercise, to even claim that exercise can contribute to chronic inflammation is ludicrous!!!! Exercise is a preventative measure and should improve inflammatory markers long term.

As far as chicken and rice goes im a big fan but cant eat rice often as have an allergy on some level. A nice rice, decent sauce and nicely seasoned chicken is a very nice meal, at least i like it. Throw some veggies in and is *probably* superior to a whey shake and pack of haribo that hits same macros.

 

[Prodiver]

They also didn't eat as much in general then pro, there was less obesity and much less access to food for the majority of people. They simply couldn't and didn't eat as much. Therefore their salt intake was probably far less than ours as well as their calorie intake.... So again, they were mostly thinner.... They did more exercises, worked more physical jobs, ate less.... Weren't obese. That's why there were less instances of CVD and stroke..... There's no correlation between what you're stating again.

Not that you can say there was less instance of CVD etc with any great truth behind you as I doubt they did autopsies on the majority of people back then so the evidence wouldn't exist.


But no... All of that doesn't matter.

Nope.