Doesn't matter were it is as long as u do them n get heavier as u progress.
Your deadlift theories please
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hsmann87
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I personally agree
Regarding rack/deficit - both excellent. They help sort out sticking points well
Hmm is this necessarily true though? Been doing some reading recently and does a rackpull really relate to a portion of a deadlift? I say this because lets say your sticking point of a conventional deadlift is the middle point (where the bar is at your knees); the normal theory would be to do rackpulls from the knee...but is this actually helpful?
Because the rackpull will take out the elastic energy and momentum built up from the deadlift from the floor up to the knee so are the 2 exercises really related?? Food for thought really. Personally im from the school of thought that if you want to get better at A then just practice A and not do B, C or D all in hope to combine B,C and D to aid with A...i could be wrong, just thinking out loud lol
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OldMember
Yeh I stuck with it for around 7 months I think, had decent results though my back went before testing dead lol
Takes ages to complete a session too, easily 2 hours sometimes 2 1/2 lol.
Con
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I think rack pulls are pretty much useless...if any thing pull while standing on blocks and make ROM larger...
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OldMember
I personally agree
Hmm is this necessarily true though? Been doing some reading recently and does a rackpull really relate to a portion of a deadlift? I say this because lets say your sticking point of a conventional deadlift is the middle point (where the bar is at your knees); the normal theory would be to do rackpulls from the knee...but is this actually helpful?
Because the rackpull will take out the elastic energy and momentum built up from the deadlift from the floor up to the knee so are the 2 exercises really related?? Food for thought really. Personally im from the school of thought that if you want to get better at A then just practice A and not do B, C or D all in hope to combine B,C and D to aid with A...i could be wrong, just thinking out loud lol
Well the way I see it is if you're having trouble locking out - hammer the rack deadlifts from below the knee (not necessarily the sticking point) for a while, your locking out should vastly improve.
Likewise if slow off the floor / can't get up to knees - get cracking on the speed deadlifts and leg strength
Smitch
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I'm relatively new to deadlifting, only been doing them for a couple of months but always start my back session with them now.
Only pulling 150kg max at the minute but each week i'm either doing more reps or adding weight or both so it's all good. Not really sure the best way to do them so i usually start off with just doing the bar for 15 reps then say 60kg for 8, 100kg for 6, 120kg for 4 140kg for 3, then my 1rpm of 150kg at the end. Well that was my last session anyway!
Then i'll just crack on with back and bi's.
But i look sh1t so don't copy me.
Only pulling 150kg max at the minute but each week i'm either doing more reps or adding weight or both so it's all good. Not really sure the best way to do them so i usually start off with just doing the bar for 15 reps then say 60kg for 8, 100kg for 6, 120kg for 4 140kg for 3, then my 1rpm of 150kg at the end. Well that was my last session anyway!
Then i'll just crack on with back and bi's.
But i look sh1t so don't copy me.
hsmann87
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I'm relatively new to deadlifting, only been doing them for a couple of months but always start my back session with them now.
Only pulling 150kg max at the minute but each week i'm either doing more reps or adding weight or both so it's all good. Not really sure the best way to do them so i usually start off with just doing the bar for 15 reps then say 60kg for 8, 100kg for 6, 120kg for 4 140kg for 3, then my 1rpm of 150kg at the end. Well that was my last session anyway!
Then i'll just crack on with back and bi's.
But i look sh1t so don't copy me.
progressive resistance mate...keep it up
Con
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Lol, i was doing 900lb rack pulls when i was 18 without straps....doesn't relate directly to floor pulls in any way
It has uses sure if you have weak grip and need stronger grip but besides for that its just an easy way to boost the ego and train the cns into the ground.
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OldMember
so if you were continually having trouble locking out con how would you correct that? would you not do rack pulls? kroc swore by high rep DB rows (or so he said) lol
Smitch
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Another thing i see is guys not letting the bar stop on the floor but either kind of bouncing/lightly touching the floor with it or going three quarters of the way down then back up again.
I was under the impression that a deadlift is exactly that, lift the weight from dead still position off the floor then putting down and repeating.
Any advantages to either style?
I was under the impression that a deadlift is exactly that, lift the weight from dead still position off the floor then putting down and repeating.
Any advantages to either style?
Con
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Trouble locking out means your low back and traps are weak.
Lots of low back work, hyper extensions, reverse hyper extension AND high rep deadlifts to build the whole back.
Basically you can be a decent puller without a lot of muscle (when talking decent i am talking up to around 6-7 plates per side). But to break into the 7-8+ plate range you need muscle and a lot of it.
Big pulls ARE NOT built over night, you're looking at 2-3 years of hard work to get your pull from the decent range into the big pulling range.
Look at any pling contest, 300kg pulls are common place and not overly special but once you get to 320kg+ suddenly not so many people are doing these. Look at the back developement on these bigger pullers and you will quickly see the difference....
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OldMember
tom martin doesn't seem to have a lot of muscle lol
Con
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Who is that???
Why pick one example to contradict me, this is silly mate as there are always exceptions.
Just like you will find every now and again a guy with tons of back muscle but with a poor pull.
It is far more LIKELY to be a correlation with lots of muscle and big pulls.
Con
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Lets look at big pullers and big backs.... Andy Bolton, Delroy Mcqueen, Poundstone, Konstantine (sp).
Also i am talking about REAL deadlifting not sumo suited pulls because those are squats where you hold the bar instead of putting on shoulders.
Also i am talking about REAL deadlifting not sumo suited pulls because those are squats where you hold the bar instead of putting on shoulders.