This is a nice idea, this supp - it mirrors a lot of what I mix together into mine.
IMO, though, the ratios between peptopro and the other ingredients isn't quite there.
Would want to see double the peptopro with the rest unaltered tbh - similar, I think, to what @
Hilly was getting at.
But fair play to BBW - they are useful and premium ingredients.
A supp of this type is never going to be cheap, however.
When we made it, we also consulted with DSM (the guys who manufacture PeptoPro). From the studies they'd done, they'd seen great results with as little as 6g per serving. This is beneficial because as anyone who's used PeptoPro before will know, not only is it very, very expensive (vastly more than iBCAA's for example), but also VERY strong in taste and tends to foam a lot.
The only downside to PeptoPro as we saw it was the slightly lower leucine levels in relation to some of the other aminos inside - it's uptake is faster than BCAAs, there's a great muscle response, and by increasing the amount of leucine in there we thought we'd make it perfect. We added an additional 3g of *instantised* Leucine (which again costs a little more than normal leucine, but mixes better, which we felt was important given leucine itself is a hydrophobic amino acid).
Together with that, we added Citrulline Malate - we used the dose we did, because at that dose you get the benefits in terms of DOMs, recovery, *and* importantly increased BCAA uptake, but you don't kill the flavour (Cit Malate tastes very, very sour - malic acid is actually one of the ingredients on the outside of "sour" sweets). I always think it's funny how some brands profess to add a lot of Cit Malate into products but you can't taste it... which having worked extensively with the ingredient (we manufacture in house and so get the chance to try out everything), seemed strange, but that's another point.
The interesting thing with Prime - in addition to open ingredients profile, decent dosages etc - is the addition of FruitFlow. FruitFlow for what it's worth, is a crazy, crazy expensive ingredient. It's over £500 per kilo (no joke), and for that reason, has never been included in a pre-workout (or any supplement in the bodybuilding world. When you look into the science behind how it works, and not only the claims but the means behind how it works, it seems to make perfect sense if your goals is performance and recovery. It's also been shown to work with just 150mg, so as much as it's ridiculously expensive, you don't need a huge amount to get the benefits.
In terms of dosages etc, we believe there's no preworkout out there that's as good as Prime - nothing which when you look into the ingredients, will help you build muscle and (importantly) recover as well. From knowing the cost of ingredients, there's definitely no preworkout that costs as much to produce out there - and this is not showing off, or marketing bollocks, but it really wasn't designed and marketed because it'd be profitable. It's sold at a very poor margin because we consider it a great pre-workout, it's offered because it's what many of us wanted to take and our friends (e.g. Papa as noted above). I feel that if you want to attract new customers to your brand, you can't just offer "me too" / the same products as everyone else. Performance Prime was and is intended to be different to what else is out there, not just put people into a drugged out state lol, but to help them get better real results than they would otherwise.
This is the same reason we brought out Cyclic Dextrin (first company in Europe to launch this, we had to source and import it from Japan which is pretty difficult as anyone who knows will attest to lol), and Creatine Nitrate (again first European company to release this).
We have a few more cool products up our sleeves but I'm glad people are enjoying Prime. I honestly don't think you'll find a better pre-workout when you run it for a month vs. something else. That should be the true test of any supplement after all - what impact did it have on your goals and progress?
Hope that helps and thanks Redwing mate for pointing me in the direction of this thread!
